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Outlaws: Episode 18, The Know Nothing Party - 07/08/2026

Display stream descriptionThis stream features Devon Stack and Rebecca Hargraves discussing the 19th‑century American nativist movement commonly known as the Know Nothing Party, using it as a historical lens to examine immigration, religion, race, and political strategy. They outline the party’s origins as a secret Protestant fraternal order opposed to Catholic and especially Irish immigration, trace its rapid political rise and violent flashpoints, and analyze why it ultimately failed to secure lasting demographic or cultural change. From there they segue into a wide‑ranging conversation on Christian universalism, the role of Judaism and Jewish influence in Western decline, the need (in their view) for race‑first politics, possible future religious or ideological "reboots," modern populist movements, economic fragility, and emergent organizations like Patriot Front as contemporary heirs to earlier nativist impulses.
Full Summary
Intro
00:03:02 I I'm watching Outlaws with Rebecca Hargraves and Devon Stack.
Devon Stack
00:03:32 Hey.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:03:34 The show that almost didn't happen. I'm sorry about my audio quality. I can't make my mic work. It's not a girl problem,
Devon Stack
00:03:43 it's a women are the natural enemies of technology.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:03:48 I don't know what to tell you, man. This shit doesn't work, so I have to use my lapel mic. My apologies to all, it's not Devon's fault, that's the important thing, it's not Devon's fault.
Devon Stack
00:03:58 It sounds okay, okay, enough people. People just have to use their imagination and pretend like you're trapped in some metal room. Some
Rebecca Hargraves
00:04:10 I am trapped in a metal room,
Devon Stack
00:04:13 like some.. some.. I don't know, Abu Ghraib style cell somewhere.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:04:21 Boy, this story that we're talking about today took some twists and turns during the research. I was like, based, not based, based again. I went through the whole range of emotions on the Know Nothing on the Know Nothing party.
Devon Stack
00:04:35 Yeah, so we wanted to look at maybe some movements from the past where they were pro heritage Americans and or the very least pro white and against immigration and what were maybe some of the earliest efforts and how did it go that sort of a thing and. One of the first big efforts, I guess you could say, you could even say it for a moment, successful was the Know Nothing Party.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:05:16 Yeah, so fundamentally they were an anti-immigrant and anti-Catholic party, that was, that was their basis, but you have to keep in mind that in the 1840s and 50s, the, you know, the state of demographics was entirely different, so they were getting, we were getting a massive influx of Catholic Irish immigrants, and because of the potato famine and the quality of people coming over here, they accounted for a massive amount of crime, which we'll talk about in a second. So, on the surface, the Know Nothing Party appeared to be a nativist party,
00:05:53 but they had problems that that we're going to discuss. They got their name because it was a secret society. It started as the Order of the Star Spangled Banner, I think they had a handshake and everything like that, proper vetting, and when people would ask, like, what, who's in the party, what's the party about, they'd be like, I know nothing. It was used as a pejorative term in media, but it kind of caught on in the, in the general lexicon, like calling them deplorables.
00:06:19 Yeah, exactly. Well, it became a formal political party. Yeah,
Devon Stack
00:06:24 but we'll get to that in a second. One thing I want to bring up, just because I think it's funny, this this flag that's up that says Native Americans, which, by the way, that's what they called founding stock Americans back then. Beware of foreign influence, so many of the stupid Nick Slop count account accounts, like on Twitter, that just like they only exist. I mean, they're.. I don't want to say they're like automated, so I don't know if they're bots per se, but they just exist to like tweet Nick Slop all day long.
00:06:56 They have this.. I noticed when I was blocking them during the great blocking of November of last year, a lot of them had this as their bio banner, and it's hilarious because they're literally using the flag of a group that existed to kick Catholics out of the country, so I just thought that was that, you know, the irony was, yeah, whoops, whoops, yet another stupid thing that we're going to use the flag of an anti-Catholic movement in our Catholic group. Pretty
Rebecca Hargraves
00:07:29 sweet, it
Devon Stack
00:07:30 is a cool flag, but anyway, to give you some context of kind of what you know, we mentioned the immigration a little bit, but also a lot of it too was the fact that mass transit was kind of a new thing in the 1840s you know, you had the railroads finally being built, and you also had in the 1840s you had the 49 years, the gold rush in California, and so during the 1840s when all the gold rush gold panners and gold miners out in California, which they finally had access to California because of the railroad system.
00:08:08 They were shipping lots of gold back east, and the gold was entering the economy rapidly, which caused a lot of inflation, which, you know, made the prices of everything kind of go up. It's kind of funny, because when you look at this, there's a lot of similarities to, like, I mean, obviously we don't have, like, a gold rush, but there's a lot of, you know, as they say, history doesn't repeat it, rhymes.
00:08:34 There's a lot of rhyming historical context in the 1840s and today, as you'll see, but inflation was going crazy, and at the same time that this was going on, you also had, because of the railroad system, a lot of these small business owners going out of business, because let's say you are some local, I mean, it's kind of like what happened with Walmart?
00:09:01 Like, let's say you're a local blacksmith, and you know you did smithing work for whatever it costs you to do back then. You had some family business for decades or whatever, and then all of a sudden you're up against like Acme, you know, mega corporation out of New York that has like some big factory that that pumps out horseshoes by the 1000s, or whatever. Now that company can just load all those horseshoes onto a onto a train and ship them out into the interior of the United States, where they couldn't get their products to, and so a lot of these mom and pops that used to be able to stay in business locally were going out of business because of the capabilities that the train system was giving these bigger companies, which also
Rebecca Hargraves
00:09:49 bolstered manufacturing in a huge way, so there was a lot of the middle-skilled artisans and things like that, they were getting pushed out. Because everything was getting filled through these like low-skilled manufacturing plants, which was relatively new to America,
Devon Stack
00:10:06 right? Like, if you were some guy that could make a shovel, you know, for for everyone in town, like that was part of your job, and then you're up against some guy that can crank out a billion shit shovels for like $1 you know, that it's it's literally, it was, it was like Walmart going to a small town, is what was going on, it was exactly more like in, or maybe even manufacturing going to, going to China, or something like that.
00:10:32 Now, simultaneously with this, you also had a bunch of immigration coming in from filthy, uh, Catholic countries like Ireland, so you had a bunch of potato niggs coming in, and, and some dirty little krauts were sneaking across, so that, that in fact, it wasn't just a little bit. So, here's, here's the immigration to give an idea of how much it, it changed in just a short period of time. In 1820 imagine having these numbers in 1820 Total immigration for a year, 8385
Rebecca Hargraves
00:11:12 What a dream.
Devon Stack
00:11:13 That's like, we could, we can handle that. I'm okay with that. I'm okay with 8000 Europeans coming in a year like that, we can handle that, but by it had more than doubled in 1830 and then it quadrupled from the previous decade by 1840 and then it went up to, so from 8000 in 1820 we hit a peak of of almost half a million,
Rebecca Hargraves
00:11:47 yeah,
Devon Stack
00:11:48 and so this was brought on because of the the potato famine and because of you had some political problems in in Germany, and so you had a lot of these people coming in that were a lot of them were Irish, or well, most of them might say it was more Irish than it was German, and a lot of more Catholic, and despite what a lot of these stupid Catholic nationalists that always like have some LARP about America as a Catholic country. No, it actually never was.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:12:26 Staff on that when you're ready.
Devon Stack
00:12:29 Oh, yeah, go for it.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:12:31 Okay, so between 16 117 100, there were a few 100 Catholics here, just a few 100.
Devon Stack
00:12:37 Yeah,
Rebecca Hargraves
00:12:38 in 1700 the only Catholic hub in Maryland had 3000 Catholics out of 30,000 people, so it was about 10% Pennsylvania had almost none. There were about 10 to 26,000 mostly in Maryland by 1765 and 40,000 by the Revolution. And then let's see, let's get to the big part, by 1820 195,018 30 500,000 by 1851 point 6 million, and then by 1860 over 3 million, so 1890 tripled from 1860 because of immigration and high birth rates, and then by the turn of the century, 12 million, so this, you know, I'm Catholic, so this is not a Catholic country, basically, none of none of the heritage Americans were Catholic,
Devon Stack
00:13:30 no, and in fact, one of the intolerable acts when they, when the colonists decided to go to war against King George, they listed as one of the reasons they were going to war with England was that he was allowing Catholics into the country, like that was one of the reasons that we had the Revolutionary War, was because Catholics were coming,
Rebecca Hargraves
00:13:52 really sure, because I'm, I have to say this begrudgingly, since I am Catholic, I'm not sure how much this had to do with Catholicism and how much it had to do with the Irish. So, I had some thoughts on Irish crime, if you want to talk about that now,
Devon Stack
00:14:07 right? So, well, I would say there was, so there was one specific problem that they did have. You got to remember, people were way more religious back then, and they did have a problem with Romanism. They did have a fear of, you know, the Vatican, you know, Pope sending all these Catholics, and then trying to colonize America as, like, a, you know, a Catholic colony, basically.
00:14:36 There were, there were religious fears, and there was also the difference in how you know the Bible versions that they were using, and there were fights about, because this is back when they still use the Bible in school, and the Catholics would come and get mad because they were using the King James version of the Bible, and they wanted to use their Bible, and so like.
00:15:00 A lot of it was just like, honestly, it just resembles a lot of like the cringe religious fighting you see on Twitter, times like times like a million, and so there were some religious issues, but it wasn't just, you know, obviously compared to, and we'll get into this in a second, too, compared to like importing a bunch of black people, this wasn't like the big deal that they were making it out to be, but they didn't know how good they had it, and I think what, as you say, a lot of it had to do with the fact that, well, actually, there was,
00:15:36 I think it was two pronged, one was the crime, and then two was the Catholics, did they worked politically in a way that the Protestant churches didn't. In other words, the priest would literally tell them how to vote, and they would all together go vote another Catholic in. And so that was pissing off the Protestants, because they would come in and start politically taking over something. But let's get into the I love this. I love the anti-Irish cartoons that you find from, like, this - this time of this time period. They always make them look like monkey people, like drunken monkey people.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:16:13 Yeah, exactly. All right. New York City, this is a good, a good proxy for what was going on. Top of all crime committed in New York City were from Irish-born individuals. By 1858 35% of the prostitutes were Irish. Almost half of people that were in New York City prisons by 1858 were Irish, and three quarters of drunk and disorderly conduct were the Irish,
Devon Stack
00:16:42 yeah. So it wasn't just like out of nowhere, or they're like, we hate these dirty mix. It was like half of crime is being committed by you guys, half of crime, and and 75% of drunken retardedness is is also you guys, so I mean, again, it wasn't just they were reacting to nothing, or they were just like, oh, you guys are, you guys are different a little bit, and you know, you really, you have a different flavor of Christianity than we do, although, like I said, that was part of it, that was part of it.
00:17:25 So this was going on, and just like with the Republican Party, when the base starts complaining about something, you know, the base says we don't want all this Mexican immigration, we don't want wars for Israel, and the Republicans just kind of say, well, too bad, you already voted for us, so fuck off. The Whig party was basically doing the exact same thing. I thought this.. I don't know if this was like.. I don't know the context of this, but the fact I think this is real, they couldn't possibly be worse, like that's their, that's their slogan, vote wig. How could they be worse, like that's that's what your
Rebecca Hargraves
00:18:09 Republicans do now. So,
Devon Stack
00:18:11 right, so it was kind of funny. So that's the context, is you had a lot, it was populism, basically. You had it was the same kind of a thing you had the average American pissed off because immigration was going crazy because with all these other factors that were affecting the ability for these people to get jobs because of the mass transit and all these other things now you had like all these fucking potato eating mix coming in and taking the jobs, and you had these, you know, these crowds and stuff, and these papers and stuff, and it was just like, what are you going to do, you know? And so, anyway, you had like a lot of really pissed off founding stock Americans, and founding
Rebecca Hargraves
00:18:57 stock Americans were appropriately concerned with dual allegiance, I mean that the revolution was not that far in the rear view, so they, they had real reasons to believe in Romanism, and that the papacy was going to take over the country. This wasn't totally unfounded,
Devon Stack
00:19:14 right? And so they, and they also just wanted to preserve their, their hierarchy that they had fought so hard to create, you know, like that was kind of like for the families that participated in the revolution, that was kind of like the idea that hey, you can risk it all, because by the way, you'll get hung for treason if we lose, but if we win, you become the ruling class, right, you become the new ruling class here in America, and so that's your reward for you basically risking your life and your generational wealth in service of this idea of this new country, and so you do that, and then, like, a century, less than a century later, you're being overrun by all these.
00:20:00 Other people, you want to preserve the order that your grandpa probably at this point fought in the revolution to preserve or to create, so that was kind of the context, and you had a secret society that was created, founded in 1849 in New York by Charles B. Allen, and who was a Native American in the way they meant it, Protestant, and they made the this club called the Order of the Star Spangled Banner, and the Order of the Star Spangled Banner was like this super secret society with secret handshakes and everything.
00:20:46 In fact, all of their messages were they used cryptography. Yeah, you had to have like these little keys and stuff to decode the messages, which is hilarious. This is obviously way before electronic communications, and so it almost sounds like it'd be really fun, like, like you're all, you know, riding horses with some secret scroll inside, like your saddle bag with, like, the the cryptography code, like, here's the codex, and so that they had that going on, restricted to men who were 21 years old or older, they had to be born United States.
00:21:24 They had to be Protestant. They had to have Protestant parents, and they could not have any Catholic relatives.
00:21:32 They, the explicit purpose of the club or group, was to resist the growing and political and cultural power of Catholic immigrants, especially the Irish, and they were to there to protect the interests of native Protestant population that had built the country, and they were instructed to basically use nepotism, no matter across party lines, whatever, it didn't matter what they, the priority was, you had to be a Native American Protestant, and so if there was ever a political situation where there's two candidates and one was Catholic and one was Native American Protestant, it didn't matter what the issue was you were you had to support, put your support behind the Native American Protestant, and if you same thing with business dealings, same thing with anything, so it was basically use all of your, your power and influence in any way possible to disenfranchise Catholic immigrants and to empower Native American Protestants, so that was that was kind of the idea behind it.
00:22:45 It started with like 36 members, it was really small in New York, but it rapidly grew to hundreds of 1000s, and again, this is crazy, without the internet, without the internet, and without even a, a you you would think that at the time that you'd have like a press that was on your side, right, that would be on the side of the the Native American Protestants, but they weren't, they were in opposition, just like you see today, if you're anti-immigration, like literally the articles written about the native nativists in the 1840s and 50s come, they could, they could be written today about people who want to restrict immigration today,
Rebecca Hargraves
00:23:34 yeah,
Devon Stack
00:23:34 and so it was, it was unpopular in that sense, but it was overwhelmingly popular with actual Americans, because it spread like wildfire. They got hundreds, hundreds of 1000s of people to join up, and medically
Rebecca Hargraves
00:23:53 successful too. They were able to take over Massachusetts, like for the time they were able to do a lot and be very successful politically,
Devon Stack
00:24:03 which is exactly why this next guy got involved again. Lots of,
Rebecca Hargraves
00:24:10 we started researching this. I was like, I knew there was a queue in here. There's
Devon Stack
00:24:18 always, there's always like I said, always rhymes, so like many, many political movements, a Jew shows up. This is Louis Charles Levin. I wonder if, and I'm not being funny, I wonder if there's any relation to Mark Levin.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:24:33 Yeah, really,
Devon Stack
00:24:34 there could be, because he was
Rebecca Hargraves
00:24:35 himself as founding stock at that point. He did marry this guy, married two boy in succession.
Devon Stack
00:24:41 Yeah, no, he was a Jew from England, and it's weird because they, they looked the other way about the fact that he wasn't founding stock or Protestant, for that matter, because he was a what, a good orator and a good organizer, and again, this, this is kind of fun.
00:25:00 The same kinds of excuses that people make today about certain gay Mexicans, they, they made about this guy. Oh, but he's really good at speaking, he's really good at getting a crowd riled up, he's really good at, you know, organizing whatever. And so they, they made him the face of, to some extent, the well, at first there was the Republican Party. It's not the same Republican Party, Dale.
00:25:27 They sort of turned into that, and then it became the American Party. And this guy, he was born, like I said, or no, I'm sorry, I thought he was. He came in from England, I guess. He was born in South Carolina, I think his parents came from England, but he was a lawyer, and then he was a newspaper editor, two very Jewish jobs. Yeah, who would have thought? Who would have thought
Rebecca Hargraves
00:25:52 an agitator?
Devon Stack
00:25:53 Yeah, and then he became a nativist agitator, and again, weird, because the whole, the whole thing was we're Protestant and we are Native Americans, and this guy is, is neither one, and he becomes the like the leader of the Republican Party, and then the American Party, and
Rebecca Hargraves
00:26:18 vehemently anti-slavery as well.
Devon Stack
00:26:21 Well, see, that's.. we'll get that in a second, too. A lot of these guys work, which does also doesn't make any sense, because you have all these.. this is why, and this is the other lesson I think about the Know Nothings, is you need to be.. this is why race matters so much, and why race needs to be the priority.
00:26:41 If you end up being like against a another group for ideological reasons, like in the case of the, the, oh, we don't like the Irish coming because they're Catholic, or whatever, and there's no racial component to it, you end up really on some, some like unsteady ground, like it's really a slippery slope, and you, you end up, well, I mean, doing stupid stuff, like supporting the release of hundreds of 1000s of black people into your society. If you, you're so worried about the demographic, but at the same time, you want to release black people, doesn't make any sense. So, it's very schizophrenic view.
00:27:24 These people were like, hey, you know, we're worried about the Catholic influence, these white Catholics coming in from Europe, but hey, let's, let's let all these black people out.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:27:34 Part of that was logistical. I mean, how much exposure would you have to feral blacks if you lived in the North?
Devon Stack
00:27:40 Well, and that was the, that was used, that was the dividing line, because this, this nativist movement obviously appealed to people in the north and the south, and when the slavery became an issue, that's where the dividing line was, is the people that were had no exposure whatsoever to blacks were abolitionists, because they didn't know what it was, all abstract to them, it was all academic, they had, I mean, they, they were, because of their,
00:28:11 their Christianity, because their universalist view of the world, they never took a racial view of any of this stuff, like they're there, they weren't against the Irish on any kind of genetic racial line that you know they were against them for because of ideological reasons, and they, and they weren't against black people for any kind of racial reason either, because we're all God's children, and quite literally that's what they, they believed.
00:28:39 I'm not trying to, you know, I'm not trying to twist that at all, like that's literally how the abolitionists view that. They thought that we were, you know, you're enslaving God's, you know, another one of God's children, and it's against God, and all their arguments were were based in Christianity, like all the abolitionists, it was all religious arguments,
Rebecca Hargraves
00:28:58 and in turn, because of their lack of racial consciousness, they, they ultimately became a predecessor to the Zionist movement, so you know, the, the, it was, it was baked into the cake, I mean, the folly was there from the beginning, it sounds based because they're talking about preserving native culture, but they did let a Jew rise to the, to the helm, he was in a leadership position, he organized some of these massive riots.
Devon Stack
00:29:23 Right, so let's talk about those riots. There's
Rebecca Hargraves
00:29:27 one in Philadelphia, the Philadelphia Nativist riot. This was pretty much orchestrated by Levin, and they were deadly. The tensions were boiling over. This was about the King James Bible being used in public schools because Catholics wanted their Bible in there, so nativist rally in Irish Catholic Kensington district turned violent, and mobs burned down two Catholic churches. They looted homes, they clashed with residents.
00:29:55 There was another wave a month later, 20 people died, dozens were injured. And the militia intervened, property damage was massive. I heard that in today's currency it was about $4 million in property damage from this riot alone.
Devon Stack
00:30:11 Well, and here's the crazy thing, it's it really was a riot about whether or not to use the King James version of the Bible, and the guy leading that one side is a Jew who doesn't use the King James version of the Bible himself.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:30:26 Yeah,
Devon Stack
00:30:27 and so it doesn't make any sense, but yeah, there was.. there was a, you know, obviously there was people were killed, they burned down.. there was actually, I think, two phases of this one, right? There was, because the first time it was they went to go see the Jew speak, the Catholics went and started fights and kicked and drove them out of town. So then they came back with more people and burned down like Catholic neighborhoods, burned down, I think, a Catholic church, like a non churches,
Rebecca Hargraves
00:30:56 yeah, like a nun
Devon Stack
00:30:56 convent or something like that. Yeah, and so that was that was the the Philadelphia one in 1844 and then we had another big one
Rebecca Hargraves
00:31:12 in 1854 There was one in St. Louis. This was election day violence between Know Nothing activists and Irish Catholic Democrats, so a judge had challenged immigrant voter citizenship, which sparked the fights, and this 110, were killed, 33 wounded, and dozens of buildings were burned down.
00:31:30 The militia apparently restored order, but I doubt that it doesn't, doesn't really sound like it.
Devon Stack
00:31:37 No, and there was, there was a lot of these kind of riots that went on, but there was also a lot of exaggeration in the same way that you see the press today exaggerate january 6 and stuff like that. The press, because they were anti-nativist, was exaggerating every time there was any kind of scuffle between a Protestant and a Catholic, they would say that all here's the Protestants again abusing the Catholics, and they would blow it out of proportion and make it seem like some crazy thing.
00:32:10 I found some letters to the editor to that effect, where they're like, oh, it's always, it's always a no-nothing riot. Oh, look at yet another no-nothing riot, you guys are always writing about this, you know, even if it's just like a bar fight, it's like a no-nothing riot, and so you had a lot of that kind of thing going on because the press was on the side of the Catholics and the immigrants, just like I guess you could say today, and then this is kind of interesting to give you some more context.
00:32:43 Build a butcher, like in the movie Gangs in New York, Daniel Day Lewis' character is based on an actual guy, although in this clip I'm going to play, just because the one thing that he was a real guy, and he was actually kind of based, but just like the Know Nothings, his first priority wasn't race, his first priority was he was a gang leader, and he was upset that they, these rival gangs, were coming in from Ireland, and so the fact that they were Irish was really secondary to the fact that he was losing power because of his and dominance because of his gang, and so he would lean on the fact that they were Irish to, you know, get to create a nice easy dividing line, but and look, I think that he's a folk hero in a lot of ways, because he did end up dying fighting this fight, but if you look at his motives, his motives weren't - he wasn't like some white hero, supposedly. His dying words were..
00:33:54 I forget the exact paraphrasing, but it was like, you know, so long, brothers, I die a real Native American, or something like that. I don't know, that's probably made up, but that's, that's, you know, he's a good folk hero, in the sense that he does, I think, embody the spirit that is necessary if you want to actually make any kind of change, and this is Demick. I've played this clip on the Insomnia stream, and I'm playing it here anyway. He talks about what actually has to be done to make change happen.
Daniel Day-Lewis
00:34:31 How old are you, Amsterdam?
Leonardo DiCaprio
00:34:34 Not too sure. Never did figure
Daniel Day-Lewis
00:34:44 it. I'm 4747 years old. You know how I stayed alive this long all these years, I. A fear, the spectacle of fearsome acts. Somebody steals from me, I cut off his hands. He offends me, I cut out his tongue. He rises against me, I cut off his head, stick it on a pike, raise it high up, so all on the streets can see that's what preserves the order of things, fear,
Devon Stack
00:35:35 and that is, I think, what I want to talk about now that we've kind of gone over what, what the Know Nothing movement was because basically, despite their political wins, despite they took over the state legislatures, and like, like almost like every, almost every state at one point, they, they were highly politically successful.
00:35:57 They ultimately fell into disarray over the slavery issue, ironically, you know, and then we had the Civil War, and then it just, it vanished as an issue for until, like, another until the 20th century, like when you know, maybe the early 20s, 1920s was before the nativists really started getting anything done again, and the reason why that happened was because a well, the most important thing is there, there was no political solution, even back then, even back then, because political solutions don't, when your problem is a demographic problem, voting doesn't get rid of the people that are the problem, you can't vote, like let's say you, I mean, when you voted for Trump, did all the Mexicans disappear?
00:37:05 No, they didn't. They're still here, and there's more of them, and so even when you win, unless that politician, and none of them historically, that you know, far as the eye can see, have ever done anything like a mass expulsion of people? Really, I mean, if I can't think of a good example, at least certainly not in the last few centuries or so. So, if the politician is not willing to do something that, like, pretty much nobody's ever done, and just logistically, once you let the problem get as bad as it is now, that no one can do, then the problem doesn't get solved. In fact, it gets worse.
00:37:47 So every time it gets the political option is even more impossible, and it's just it's just boiling the frog further and further and further, and so if there was not a political solution in 18 fucking 50, there's not a political solution today, and that is because the only solution to a demographic problem is a demographic solution,
Rebecca Hargraves
00:38:22 absolutely. And during this time, I mean, if there ever was a time for there to be a political answer, it would have been them. I mean, they basically were able to take over most of the states they were involved in. They swept through the north and the south, that was a unifying force, and they did a lot of things right, a lot of some of the things that they did correctly, they had, like, a unified message.
00:38:43 They're getting out on the street stuff was positive. It was good for morale, but because the message wasn't the demographic issue, it was - it was going to be a failure before it even started. And this just goes to show, I mean, we couldn't even properly assimilate the Irish, which are, you know, white people, for all intents and purposes. What business do we have trying to unravel a demographic problem, including Mexicans, Africans, Indians, through political solutions in 2026 It's a, it's a losing proposition,
Devon Stack
00:39:16 right? And the people that will say, well, you know, the Irish eventually assimilated, yeah, because they're white, because they're European, because you don't have to, you know, overcome 50,000 years of separate evolution, you know, like you, there's there's enough similarities to where you can, you can sort of make it work right with the Germans that came here learned English and essentially adopted the the English culture, and so it's that the same cannot be said of people who are so biologically different from us, and yeah. Perfect example, that is the blacks.
00:40:01 The blacks are, have been here for four fucking 100 years, and they still have not assimilated, and they won't. They never will. They will never assimilate. And so it's when you have a demographic problem, there is no political solution, and this is the reason I'm it.
00:40:23 it's, it's obviously difficult to talk about this topic without, you know, creating a problem, so like I'm trying, I am dancing a little bit around it, but like let me just put it this way, we talk about a lot, a lot about eugenics, and the ultimate eugenics is war, you know, like war gives you the capability to remove large portions of genetic material from a population, that's all I'm trying, trying to be as, like, vague as possible, but lots of people gotta die, that's all I'm, that's all I'm saying.
00:40:55 When you have a demographic problem, you have to have a demographic solution,
Rebecca Hargraves
00:41:01 right. And so
Devon Stack
00:41:02 either you drive them out of your country and make them refugees somewhere else, or you make them not there another way.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:41:12 What do you mean, Devon? I want to talk a little bit about the irony of modern Catholicism being multiracial, considering the Know Nothing Party was anti-immigration, anti-Catholic. So, I mean, this is being recirculated in modern Catholicism, because we see this problem with gripers, we see this problem in Catholic universalism, we see this problem with the Pope, you know, the other
Devon Stack
00:41:35 day,
Rebecca Hargraves
00:41:36 ragged pope the other day, yeah, ushering in a new era of African migration, I mean, they're doing the same thing that the Know Nothings failed to do, and we see this, you know, we see this in Christianity, and I'm Catholic, and it's a problem I have with the church, because although I believe that all souls have value, I don't believe that people are the same, and I see the problem of believing in equality of the spirit and of the soul just lending itself to multiculturalism in a really direct way.
00:42:11 And Catholics have been at the helm in the United States, and that's one of the ways that the Know Nothings were correct about this. They properly identified that there was an alien force that was going to change the demographics of the United States. They were right about that, but it's not the Irish they should have been worried about,
Devon Stack
00:42:28 right? Right. And, like I said, because they weren't worried about the racial aspect of things, because they didn't prioritize race over everything else. These, these same fucking idiots were the ones that were pro pro releasing the slaves, all the northern, not all, but like the vast majority of the northern Know Nothings became part of the Republican Party that put Lincoln into office, who emancipated the slaves, and they all, like I said, they all use Protestant Christian arguments, when they did that, they, they were all these universalist arguments that you know we're all God's children, and we need to release them now.
00:43:11 Look, there, you, you could say that you don't have to be Christian to be against slavery. I'm not for slavery, but there were smarter ways to do it, and ways that you could do it, in you could phase it out and couple it with a deportation scheme that would move them as you released them in small batches, in that you could handle that you had the logistics to actually handle, you could be moving them as you could basically put a more, you know, put a moratorium, like, all right, so no more new slaves, right?
00:43:42 We can't have new slaves, so you know you'll have a lot of pissed off Jews that run the slave trade, but you know there's no more, no more new slaves, and any slaves that we do free that we phase out have to go back to Liberia, and the rest, and look, some of them, given the option, would, would want to, if you've been, you know, if you've got a good massa, and you've been working the same fucking plantation your whole life, and you're like 65 you might want to just stay there, you might want to just live it out, and so, all right, fine, you can stay there until it's all, you know, until, tell it's you're the last one standing, but there were ways to do it, but if you start making again, if you start making it about, you know, religious arguments, then there aren't the same, you don't have those same options, because the, the priority or the objective is different.
00:44:34 If the objective is to preserve the racial continuity of this country, then you will make decisions based on achieving the goal of a racial continuity. If you start making religious arguments for things, this is why I always talk about when people try to make religious arguments against Jews. It's stupid, because the second you start doing that, you muddy the waters and you create these all the.
00:45:00 Unintended consequences start happening, and everything starts backfiring. If you, if your problem with having Jewish influence in the country is because they're not whites, they're an alien, they're biologically alien, and they are, they in a very real sense have a parasitic relationship with, with our subspecies, and you look at it that way, as in, like, this is a parasite that afflicts our species that biologically must be removed, so that we can prosper as a species. Then it's, you know, your solutions are become a lot more crystal clear, you're not having to argue theology with people about whether or not they're God's chosen.
00:45:44 It doesn't fucking matter. None of that stuff fucking matters. If you look at it like it doesn't, like you just look at it like no, where we are, we are white people, we are a genetic subspecies, you know. And this is a different group of people, this is a different subspecies that is parasitically living off of us, and we need to remove them in the same way that you would remove a tick from a dog, you know, like this.
00:46:11 This just needs to happen, and if you start at one, you know, opine about whether or not the tick is God's chosen people, or you know, like, it's it makes it impossible to actually achieve any of these things.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:46:26 Yeah,
Devon Stack
00:46:27 and, and so, and that's what happened with the Know Nothings, is they got obsessed with, like, what version of the fucking Bible they're going to read in school. It's like
Rebecca Hargraves
00:46:36 minutia, and if they made a racial argument, they could have bypassed all of this, right? Immediately bypassed it, and it probably would have led to a large portion of Irish assimilation, which I'm fine with, but the anti-Catholic, the anti-Catholic sentiment, which I, which I do understand, because this was a Protestant nation, but you know, I'm for whatever theology leads us to be a white nation.
00:46:59 At this point, it seems so funny, like such small potatoes deal with because of the disparity that we have with other races in this country, so it's like Catholic versus Protestant, who cares at this point? Are you white? But for the time, I understand.
Devon Stack
00:47:12 Well, and that's the thing, too, is like what all your priorities change once you start looking at it, like, look, I am, I am white first, I want a biological continuity of my people. Then that stuff doesn't matter. Then that stuff, that stuff doesn't matter, in so much as it's not causing problems for the priority of preserving white people.
00:47:35 Now, if the theology gets in the way of the continuity of white people, then you know that's a discussion that can be had, but you know with that out, as long as that's not an issue, you know, I don't give a fuck, I really don't give a fuck, you could worship a fudgesicle like you know in the freezer that you've named Bill, you know, like I don't, I don't care what you, what do you do for religious practices, is as long as white people are preserved, and so
Rebecca Hargraves
00:48:05 I mean it's the age-old question with Catholics, and I used to fight with Dave about this all the time, you know, like, would you rather live next to an African Catholic family or or a white atheist? Like, I'm picking the white atheist every single time, it doesn't, that just answer the question about whether or not this is about demographics.
00:48:25 Even though I'm Catholic, I don't know how to square this circle. I really don't, and I don't see any Catholics really effectively doing it
Devon Stack
00:48:33 well, because it's unfortunately Catholicism is part of the problem. It is part of the problem. It, I mean, Catholic comes from the Greek Catholicos, which means universal. It's universalist religion. It's run by some faggot pope that wants to flood Europe with black people. The Catholic charities have been flooding America with non-whites for decades. It's funny, because, like, I bring this up to Catholics, and they're always like, yeah, but, like, they have Jewish lawyers of those organizations, like, all right, but then fire them, like, you know, who hired them?
00:49:06 Who hired the Jews? Just like, walk into the Catholic charity one day, like, it's ours now, like, no, you got you fuckers hired them, and you're obviously okay with them.
00:49:16 It's, it's run by Catholics, and it's not just Catholics, this is goes to all the Protestant Christians too, who send.. they will.. I mean, it's almost like a.. like the most noble thing you can do as a Protestant is to go to some third world fucking country and go build them a fucking school or something like that, or oh, we dug like.. be like mr.
00:49:38 Beast and dig a fucking well for Africans, it's like this is retarded when we're going extinct, and we have to worry, we have an existential threat hanging over the head of white people, and I mean that globally now, as a share of population, we've dropped down to our world, getting close to single digits here, while third world popular. Non-white populations are exploding, and you're, and you're going to fucking Venezuela to dig a fucking well for jungle people. What the fuck is wrong with you?
00:50:08 Like, seriously. And so this is this is the problem when you start prioritizing things that are not your race. Well, then your race goes extinct, and like, this is this is exactly what's happening, and, and like I said, these people weren't doing it for racial reasons.
00:50:24 They were doing it, I think, in the same way that I said the Bill the Butcher, who I said he's a real guy in the movie, that he says he's 47 It's funny because he dies when he's actually 35 but his priority was really his power in the gang, you know. And to the extent that he was pro white, I look, I'm sure he was. He was just as racist as literally every white person was in 1850 whatever.
00:50:48 But at the same time, like, his priority was not preserving the white demographic. And then, oh, I happen to also be in a gang. It was he wanted to preserve his own personal power, and Irish people are getting in the way. And, unfortunately, I see the same fucking bullshit from Catholics, where they don't actually really want to preserve white people, they care about the church first. Oh, and if I can also like live in a white neighborhood, I guess that's good, but my priority is always going to be the church.
00:51:15 Now, look, that's going to be true of anyone that's actually religious, what, like, why wouldn't it be if you actually believe that, like, if you are actually Christian, and you actually think that Jesus is a deity, and that he, that then he should come first before your race, I guess, like, I mean, I would think, I don't know how you would look at the world in another way, at least not sincerely, like, how could you be a sincere person and say that I'm race first, but you know, also I sort of, I, I have, I have my priority is my race, and my second priority is my deity. That doesn't make any fucking sense
Rebecca Hargraves
00:51:57 to me, right? Right, I mean, I can square the circle to some degree, because God clearly separated us into individual nations specific to our races and our racial needs for a reason. Well, if it's so clear,
Devon Stack
00:52:11 that doesn't seem that clear. I know you say clearly, but that's not so clear to your pope, that's not so clear to like the vast majority of Christians. That's
Rebecca Hargraves
00:52:20 because my religion has been infiltrated with evil, it doesn't matter,
Devon Stack
00:52:24 the purpose of a system, what is what it does, and if, if you, a small fringe amount of people, interpret a religion a certain way that is way outside the mainstream, that's not representative of the religion, that means that there's something different, you're the anomaly, that means there's something not there's there's nothing about their religion that's pro white, there's something about you're pro white in spite of it,
Rebecca Hargraves
00:52:50 it's incumbent on people that are in the Catholic faith now to try to return it to something of its original form. I mean, really amazing things did come out of Catholicism, and in defense of Catholicism, this, this multiculturalism, like worship of black Christians, that is a Christian problem in general.
00:53:08 Do you remember that story a few years ago? I got in so much trouble when I did the Matt and Blonde show. Matt was so pissed off because we did this story where this Haitian, or this, this, I think there were Mormon, they were in Haiti, and it was like her and her boyfriend, she was like 19 or something like that, and they were working on some Haitian Christian compound, they got pulled out of that compound and they were raped, she was raped and they were burned alive, and so on the show I was like, isn't there some, can't you be helping white people, like can't you be helping people that are addicted to fentanyl in West Virginia, or something like, what the fuck is she doing in Haiti?
00:53:44 Cause Christians don't understand this, like universalism. We have to find a way to still be Christian and understand that there's why do you have to
Devon Stack
00:53:55 do both? That's like saying, like, just because that guy bolt ran fast and he doesn't have legs, we need to find a way to not have legs and run races. How about just have legs?
Rebecca Hargraves
00:54:04 Well, I'm concerned about our salvation, and I do. I do believe in Jesus Christ, and I believe in God. And so it's like, how do I exist in these two realms when my church is so.. and every other church I know people in the Orthodox Church that are dealing with the same thing, when every existing church is so deeply bastardized, it puts us in a very difficult position. I'm not sure if the solution is to throw the baby out with the bath water.
Devon Stack
00:54:30 I
Rebecca Hargraves
00:54:30 will not become a trad, calf won't do it, can't make me.
Devon Stack
00:54:34 I just don't think there's even a baby in there anymore. I think it's just bath water, it's just dirty fucking bath water,
Rebecca Hargraves
00:54:42 but what about the heart of any given church? I mean, look, I think it's think of it
Devon Stack
00:54:47 this way, I kind of feel like it's its people are nostalgic, partially for a world that never existed. They want to think that, like, well, look at white people accomplished all this stuff. And and we wouldn't have been able to do it without religion, and it's like, well, conditions were wildly different, you know, it's like people that are nostalgic for, like, you know, like the internet before, or computers, like 90s computers, like, you know, if all these like cringe geek YouTube channels, like, oh, look, DOS with Windows 3.1 it was so much better back then. No, it wasn't better back then. It wasn't better back then. It just like, it just, it was shitty, and computers are better now.
00:55:29 And yeah, it was simpler, and yeah, the internet sucks, but not because of the technologies, because the people are that are in it suck. But you know, I think it's the same thing that with, with religion, it's like, no, I mean, there was a time and a place for that kind of religion, and it's kind of outlived its usefulness. It's outdated software, and it needs to be updated, because it doesn't have this, just like Windows XP had tons of security flaws.
00:55:58 It's just that a lot of hackers didn't find them right away, and so they would exist for, like, you know, years and years and years, until next thing you know, all the centrifuges in your nuclear research facility are flying and destroying themselves, and oops, you know, Israel gave the suspects virus, or whatever, but that that vulnerability existed for years, it's just that that didn't really matter, it wasn't relevant that it existed, and the same thing with Christianity.
00:56:24 This, this same exact vulnerability existed for years. It just didn't matter, because there wasn't mass transit. It wouldn't, it didn't matter that you were universalist when you couldn't have, like, a half a million Africans show up in your country in a month, you know. But now that you can, that vulnerability is a problem, even though it already was there, it just that it didn't matter, because no one was trying to use that as a vector of attack, but now they are, and you're fucked, because there's no way to pass. It was never
Rebecca Hargraves
00:56:49 supposed to be this way, and I think that there were elements of historical Europe and America that did lend to a better quality of life in a spiritual sense, like people used to have more of a purpose, they were more driven, they were more centered in life, like obviously things are superior in many ways now, but we were able to develop our art and literature in a way that we're not now because of because of these vulnerabilities that you speak of, but we also shouldn't be accosted by them. That's not fair. This is not the way the world is supposed to be.
00:57:26 Multiculturalism is a failure, and just because we're being inundated with it, and that it does have vulnerabilities, doesn't mean that we can't seal those up and create something new. I mean, I heard Corey Mailer say, like, we have to, we have to be making our own churches now, which you know, I know is a little bit blasphemous in and of itself, but I think he's, he's on to something here.
Devon Stack
00:57:48 Yeah, but again, we're talking about like a small fringe, you know, like this is what I'm saying, is like you're gonna have to, the, the, the big ask now is, is here's, here's, here's the thing, the software, like I said, the software is outdated, it's full of security holes, and there's people that have a emotional attachment to it, and so they want to keep using the old software and patch it all up and try to make it run forever.
00:58:11 When it's like, no, like the conditions have changed. No matter how much you patch up Windows 3.1 you're never going to be able to get on the internet with it and play a YouTube video, like it doesn't matter, even if you patch up all the security holes, it's outdated now. Things have changed, and so, why do we
Rebecca Hargraves
00:58:27 create a future for ourselves without looking into the past? I mean, we're all trying to tap into our ethnos, and how can we do that without history as some kind of basis? I mean, I don't want everything to be new. There needs to be an element that is a return to tradition in our future as a movement and as a people.
Devon Stack
00:58:46 Well, you preserve things that are good and things that that produce good results, and and there are lots of things about white culture that are good that you know that give us good results, but I'm just saying right now there is a lot of, there's, there's, I feel like the, the cons outweigh the pros when it comes to universalist religions, and I don't think you can have a non-universalist Christian religion. I feel like it's a contradiction. It does. Yeah, I'm definitely
Rebecca Hargraves
00:59:19 struggling with that. I'm really sympathetic to that perspective. I mean, because it is something that I can tolerate, so long as everybody is in their own fogging countries.
00:59:29 Like, cool, I don't care if there are a billion Catholics of different races, as long as they're in the United States, as long as they're not in Europe. I just don't really care. So, I see what you're saying, but any institution that we're creating that we're going to create is going to be corruptible by men, and it's going to be corruptible by Jews, and that's really what's happened to the Catholic Church.
Devon Stack
00:59:55 Yeah, but like I said, like there's there. Are unnecessary vulnerabilities baked into every, especially when it comes to Jewish infiltration baked into Christianity because of its origins, its Jewish origins, and so it's, you know, like that's always going to be an issue, but what do we
Rebecca Hargraves
01:00:15 do, Devon? I can't be some kind of,
Devon Stack
01:00:18 well, like I said, no, I'm not gonna, well, no, you have to. That's the problem, is you have to actually believe it. Like, I'm like, I'm not gonna let's start worshiping Thor now, because, like, because that's real too. Like, come on, like, that's my point. Is like, obviously, paganism didn't get us anywhere either, because it's where is it, right? And I don't, to be honest, I don't know.
01:00:38 This is something I struggle with, because people, unfortunately, are way more, and I think the Know Nothings kind of proved this too. People are way more motivated when it comes to making these religious, religious arguments. When you start drawing religious lines, you can get people to do all kinds of crazy shit. You can get Muslims to strap a bomb to themselves and go blow up a fucking bus if it's for Allah.
01:00:59 I don't think you'd be able to do that for the race, like if you were to tell some Arab guy, 'Hey, strap this bomb to yourself, and then go blow up this Israeli cafe, because, like, Arabs are awesome. I don't think they would do it, but if they, if they think that they're going to do it for some religious reason, then all of a sudden it sounds okay.
01:01:17 I would say, conversely, the same thing goes for, you know a lot of European history, even they used to leverage Christianity to get people, you know, the Crusades as one example, but even I would say World War Two, they were making these religious arguments appealing to the universalist tendencies of Christians by saying that we are there to try to stop the racial supremacy of the evil Hitler who doesn't understand the universalist, you know, he's the antichrist, basically, like they were making religious arguments, and people thought that they were going out and sacrificing for, you know, to make, to remove evil from the earth.
01:01:56 People are way more motivated when you have racial or, sorry, religious motivations to do things, and I think in some ways that's why religions exist in the first place. Then racial
Rebecca Hargraves
01:02:08 motivations,
Devon Stack
01:02:09 I feel like religion is like it's very effective software, and people know like it's really good at getting certain outcomes out of a large amount of people, like positive outcomes for a society out of a large amount of people. Well, I guess the
Rebecca Hargraves
01:02:27 question boils down to, do you believe that we're born with a with the quest to find a spiritual resolution or a connection in our hearts?
Devon Stack
01:02:39 Do I believe that? Yeah,
Rebecca Hargraves
01:02:41 do you believe that? Yeah, do you believe that people are born like searching for God?
Devon Stack
01:02:45 No.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:02:46 Okay. Well, this should be reassuring to you, because if you don't believe that, then you know I think that people are born with a sense of kinship for their people. So, you think that if we reboot, that the natural state of things is to is for racial allegiance, and if that happens, I will let me put
Devon Stack
01:03:02 this way, I think that if, if you were, you know, obviously a big hypothetical, if somehow you were to temporarily like the little, the little flashy pen in Men in Black, you were to go around and flash everyone in the face and steal every Bible from the planet Christianity would just be gone.
01:03:25 They would just be gone, like no one, like it only exists because people keep it going. And if you were to erase everyone's memory of it and take every record of it from the face of the earth, it wouldn't magically come back. It would just be gone, of course.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:03:41 Now the Bible Bible, because people need the Bible. Well, no, a lot of
Devon Stack
01:03:45 Christians would say that's bullshit. They would say that God would, you know, would make it manifest again, or whatever, right? Like that, because it's because they think it's true, like that. This is 100% true, that it would somehow re-emerge, uh, even if you got rid of every, you know, copy of the Bible now.
01:04:04 As far as, like, look, here's the thing, because people are what I was getting at is because people are religiously motivated, and because that motivates them more. Unfortunately, we have - we're in a - we're always going to be, I think, until you have a religion, until you have software that white people run, religious software that is has their race tied to it as a key component of that software, you are always going to be at a disadvantage to Jews. Always. Oh yeah,
Rebecca Hargraves
01:04:34 oh yeah. I absolutely agree with that. I mean, we were basically talking, my admission here is basically that I care more about race than religion. I mean, and that's why I'm grappling with this, and it's so difficult for me, because I don't see a solution in a universe, in a universal Catholic nation, if it's multiracial, that solves nothing for me,
Devon Stack
01:04:58 right,
Rebecca Hargraves
01:04:59 so. So it just has to be more important. I understand that this is a, this is a problem I've been grappling with this very publicly for a long, a long time, but you know, I still am Catholic.
Devon Stack
01:05:12 Well, the unfortunate thing is, because people, and look, there's just some people that are dumb, and there are some people that can't behave themselves unless they have religious software running, there are some people that are just, they, they need to think that they're gonna burn in hell for eternity if they steal that taco, you know, like that's just there's people that can't, no, you know, there are people said
Rebecca Hargraves
01:05:34 taco, well,
Devon Stack
01:05:35 you know, I was just the first thing that popped my head of thinking of thievey little brown hands taking something, it was a greasy taco, but you know what I mean, like you need it just from a practical standpoint.
01:05:48 Some people just need to be told that you need to do this or you go to hell, like they need to be told that, because if not, they will just run wild if they think that there is no consequences to the things that they, they get away with, they'll just try to get away with everything, and, and so that is, that's an unfortunate reality, but that is a reality, and so you have that, that part of, you know, religion does serve that purpose, and that's obviously a reason you'd want people to be religious, the then also, if you want to move people in great numbers to all accomplish something that they don't, they can't wrap their head around, like some big goal, like well, for example, building a cathedral or something like that.
01:06:31 You can't get a bunch of people to see the big picture. You don't have to sit there and try to, just like you don't have to find the taco thieving Mexican and try to explain all the intricacies, the morality of stealing the taco. You know, you don't have to give him like that speech, like in Citizen Vigilante, when he's on the bus saying, and that's why you paid the bus fare, like, you know, you don't have to do that fucking speech, you just say no bad, because God said.
01:06:55 In the same way, if you want to accomplish maybe one of these big things, like build a cathedral, you can just be like, well, that's what God wants, and so you know, shut up and just fucking build the cathedral. And so, yeah, do you
Rebecca Hargraves
01:07:06 think that religion is necessary in white and white societies?
Devon Stack
01:07:10 I think that it's always been in white societies, it's always been in every human society, and I don't think there's ever been like some atheist society that's, or at least not any significant one, that has, you know, I mean, like, and so that's the problem, right?
01:07:26 And so I don't think it's something that you just get, you wave some magic wand, you know, ironically, a magic wand, and yeah, like everyone's atheist, and it doesn't have any negative impact, no, it'd be like lots of impact, negative impacts, and so, yeah, it's, it's a problem, but at the same time, you can't just replace religion with some other failed religion, like, like you mentioned, paganism, you can't just be like, oh, let's, let's all act like we believe in Zeus or something, no one, come on, like, are there pagans that actually believe in, like, Thor, and all that shit. Give me a fuck. Oh yeah,
Rebecca Hargraves
01:08:03 I know some pagans that do. Well,
Devon Stack
01:08:04 they say they do, but do they really like it? Heart of hearts, if you put a gun to their head and said that, like, you know, deny Thor or I'll shoot you in the head, will they? What they really like have so much faith in Thor, they'd be like, 'Shoot me. I mean, come on, be honest, and I just don't think there is that many. I mean, I'm sure there's at least one, right? There's always one, you know.
01:08:28 But, like, realistically speaking, there's not. And if you come up with some new religion, no one's going to believe it. That's the kind of thing you could do, like back when Mormonism happened, for example. They could pull that off because no one had the internet. Yeah, he could, he could walk in the town and be like, 'Hey, everybody, I talked to an angel. He'd be like, 'What, he talked to an angel?
01:08:52 And they just fucking believe it, you know? Like, he can't do that anymore, you know. And so, I mean, that would be, that would be key. If you could somehow get everyone stupid enough to believe shit like that, then you could just be like, yeah, the angel said white people are the best, and like we should shun all other people, you know, but even then you're kind of fucked, because Mormonism sort of did that, and then they, they fucking backtrack in the 1970s so I mean it's well,
Rebecca Hargraves
01:09:18 alternatively you can create these rules of social morality through exacting like very serious penalties for law breaking, that's what they do in China.
Devon Stack
01:09:30 Yeah, I mean, you can sort of do that. I would
Rebecca Hargraves
01:09:32 do that either, though. China is
Devon Stack
01:09:34 China atheist, though. Are they like.. I mean, Japan is right. Japan's.. maybe I shouldn't.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:09:41 Shin China, but there's, there's a lot of atheists in both countries. Let me look at them.
Devon Stack
01:09:44 Yeah, look, because that was one thing. I, as soon as I said that, there's no successful atheist country, I thought, well, what about Japan? Because I know that they're pretty atheist, and I almost wonder, because I think here's the problem with Japan, though - their hardware is different. Yeah, you know, and so, yeah,
Rebecca Hargraves
01:10:03 China, 52% unaffiliated or atheist, Chinese folk religion, 22% Buddhist, 18, Christianity, six, Islam, two, Taoism, and others, less than one. Let me look at Japan. Okay, Japan, Shinto 48 to 70% That's okay. Buddhism 46 to 67 Christianity about
Devon Stack
01:10:27 one. Okay. Ask, how? What? Just ask differently. Ask what percentage of Japan's atheist?
Rebecca Hargraves
01:10:36 Three to 4%
Devon Stack
01:10:37 Okay, that's pretty low. So, yeah, maybe there. I don't, maybe there aren't any successful atheist societies, so maybe you just need, you need that software running, and I think, and I think it makes sense for the reasons that I outlined, like in order to keep stupid people from stealing the tacos and stuff like that, like I think you need, I think you need that, and because you're not gonna be able to explain complex moral values and to people that, that are basically retarded, you know.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:11:10 Yeah, and we do have some retarded whites.
Devon Stack
01:11:13 No, we have lots of retarded whites, you know. And so, but, and so, yeah, I think you do need that. It's just that, like, I said, in this day and age, I'm sure I could get some people to buy it. If I, if one day I went on my stream and I said, "Guess what, guys? Guys, last night God came to me and He said, Devon, you're the new leader of the new religion of white people, and it's called, I don't know, think of a good name. What is it called?
Rebecca Hargraves
01:11:47 Stackism,
Devon Stack
01:11:48 stackism. And if you want to be a stackist, then you know these are the rules, and blah. I'm sure, like, a handful of weirdos would be like, yeah, you know, but everyone else would pretty much be like, all right, this guy's kind of fucking this guy's lost it, right, and that's my
Rebecca Hargraves
01:12:04 solution either. I mean, anything that's not based in truth is going to lead us down the wrong road. I don't want to do this noble lie thing for for the dumb whites,
Devon Stack
01:12:17 yeah, but I would almost, well,
Rebecca Hargraves
01:12:21 I would rather I would rather have staunch authoritarianism from a white nationalist leader than right, but that leader
Devon Stack
01:12:28 has to have some kind of, you know, guiding principles too, like, so what do you want him, that guy, to believe in?
Rebecca Hargraves
01:12:37 What do I want him to believe in Catholic teaching,
Devon Stack
01:12:41 so, but, but if he did, if he'd believed in traditional Catholic teachings, he wouldn't, he would let the all the Catholics from around the world into the country.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:12:49 Yeah, but this shouldn't, this shouldn't be a problem.
Devon Stack
01:12:52 It is, though.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:12:54 Yeah, but it's like, you know, how we always talk about Jews at that came in at the turn of the century violating non-existing laws and exploiting the vulnerabilities in our legal system, like, yeah, those vulnerabilities exist, but they, we shouldn't have to deal with the externalities surrounding that.
01:13:11 We should be able to have a little bit of maneuverability in our society, because it's homogeneous, and I think the same goes for religion, if they're, if everybody in Africa wants to be Catholic, like more power to them, that's great. The problem here is multiculturalism, and Catholics were - they were historically, they were not multiculturalist in the way that the modern Catholic church
Devon Stack
01:13:34 is. I would say to you, the fact that you think that Africans could be held to the same standards, right there, is a problem, and I think therein lies the problem. You shouldn't have a religion that everyone can join, even if they stay in their own countries, because it's an admission that everyone is possible. It's possible for them to be held to the same standards, and so I think
Rebecca Hargraves
01:13:54 that Africans are like reading the Bible in its original form and going to Latin Mass and understanding it, and everything like that. But I think it's a dumbed down Catholicism that is appropriate for their national IQs.
Devon Stack
01:14:06 Okay, but unless it's called, but unless it's called something different, unless it's something that is, it has some kind of separation, and it's called, like, if it was called African Catholicism or something like that. No, I'm serious, like, like, unless you have that separation there, then you're, you're implicitly, if nothing else, saying that you are capable of following the same rules and living by the same guidelines as we are. So, why couldn't you live in my society if you're always
Rebecca Hargraves
01:14:37 going to be a disparity and understanding of biblical teachings,
Devon Stack
01:14:41 but they're gonna, any group, but you're gonna, but you're gonna have that among whites, you're gonna have stupid whites that are gonna be as dumb as the smartest African, right? And so that's my point, is you should have essentially racial specific religions, like, look,
Rebecca Hargraves
01:14:57 I'm fine with that. I mean, orthodoxy has something like that. Up, it
Devon Stack
01:15:02 does, and it doesn't, though. You know,
Rebecca Hargraves
01:15:03 yeah.
Devon Stack
01:15:05 And that's, I think, that the problem is you need to have racially specific, like the reason why you need racially specific religions is you need basically an operating system that's written specifically for your hardware, and it needs to be so specific to your hardware that if you try to install it on some other hardware, it doesn't work. Otherwise, you're just trying to make some stupid version of Linux that runs on everything, so you can say, "I played Doom. How do you
Rebecca Hargraves
01:15:33 do that? How do you do that without it becoming so derivative that it no longer even represents the original teachings of the church in any given population.
Devon Stack
01:15:44 Well, you're talking about rebooting Christianity. I didn't say anything about that, like the original teaching of the church, original teaching of what church. I'm talking about a whole new thing that would be specific, race racially specific to white people. Again, I'm not the one to do it. I'm not like saying I'm a, I'm like a prophet, or I'm gonna, or even a theologian, or I'm, you know, yeah, I'm not the one that's going to come up with it.
01:16:07 I'm just saying, if we're just being at, you know, if we're just spitballing here and trying to think of solutions, this is the kind of thing I'm just, this is what I think about when I'm, when I'm out beekeeping in my space suit in a million degrees, sweating my balls off, I'm thinking to myself, like, what would it take, like, what, like, what really would it take, because I think about this all the time, and look, this is not like, oh, listen, the Devon shit on Christians, because he has some kind of bone to pick, no, it's like, if that's what would work, I'd be okay with it, but I, it demonstrably doesn't work, and so, what, what would work, and what I, when I think about this, what I think about what would work.
01:16:45 It would be a, unfortunately, it's something that I don't know how you get to, that like it's a solution I don't know how you get to, because it seems like an impossibility that you would have some new religion emerge that would, that would spread like wildfire among white people, you know, like I don't know how that would even happen, and so in some ways are you maybe even maybe you're kind of stuck with the legacy system, maybe it's like you know, because I like using the software metaphor, maybe because we have so many systems already running on the Christian software, maybe you are kind of in a position where you, to keep, you know, keep things running, you have to keep just patching, like it's not ideal, but you have to keep patching the software, or whatever, just to keep it going, because it's too traumatic to actually try to go around and uninstall it from everything and reinstall something new, that no, and then you have to train everybody how to use it, and you know it's like, yeah, it's a big mess.
01:17:43 So I don't know, I think about these things, and I can just tell you that historically, every time we look at at these examples of white people failing to stick up for them, their race, almost always there's a Christian hand somewhere in it, you know, and not to say that there haven't been Christians that have been, in fact, some Christians have been super pro-white, and there are examples of again outlier denominations like Christian identity people that have made it part of, you know, their version of Christianity, but is, but as far as having like white appeal and being part of like mainstream white societies, anytime you get into a situation where they're they're faced with a question of accepting in refugees or accepting in the other, almost invariably religious organizations, not just Catholics of every flavor of Christianity, go in on the side of let's accept the refugees, let's accept the other
Rebecca Hargraves
01:19:03 right, but if you can get people to be fundamentally ethnocentric, or it happens organically, because an outside, outside threat is looming and threatening, you know, physical harm every day on their families, then I'm not really sure how much it matters, like I did, you see that,
Devon Stack
01:19:20 did you see that tweet that LP put out? It was a screenshot of another tweet, I think, of someone talking, paraphrasing, but he said that I was talking to someone in South Africa about the farm murders, and they were telling me how awful it is, and then I mentioned Orania, or Orania, Nazi
Rebecca Hargraves
01:19:40 shit, yeah, and he
Devon Stack
01:19:41 said that's Nazi shit, so if you have South Africa, if they're still liberal white douche bags, and in fact I would even say maybe even the majority, because if not, like, like I don't think that I honestly think that there is a less than 50% Of the white people in South Africa right now are would be considered like white nationalist leaning, even in even in fucking South Africa, I think there's still like 50% or more self-hating whites out there, and so if you can get to a demographic reality like that and still not have that and still not have this mass awakening that everyone thinks is going to happen where white people's survival instincts kick in, and they're suddenly like, kill all the niggers.
01:20:25 Like, I don't think that's, you know, I don't think that happens ever. I don't think
Rebecca Hargraves
01:20:30 that you were talking about to return to a better time that I think is within all of us. That's not us trying to return to a more religious time, it's us trying to return to a more ethnocentric time, where we felt safe, and we lived in a high trust society.
01:20:43 So, if people could understand that, which is a philosophical process, and a lot of people are not going to be able to understand, but I think that ethnos, it's inherent to us, kinship is inherent to us, and that's how we create high trust societies.
01:20:57 If you look back at the history of Europe, you can see organically what we want our societies to be like in the most fundamental ways, we want we want there to be trust, we want there to be safety, we want there to be communion, and that is where we will try to return. It's the mean to which we will try to return, if we're left to our own devices in the absence of Jewish subversion.
01:21:19 So I'm not really sure how necessary this conversation is. Because I don't particularly care about making this a Catholic nation, I just want to deal with the Jews. I mean, once we eliminate that threat, I think that we're going to be able to deal with a litany of religious beliefs in a more manageable way. It's about removing the external threat, so that we have, we have that malleability that we were discussing earlier in our laws and in our culture.
Devon Stack
01:21:45 Well, let me ask you this. Absent absent Jewish influence in America, now that.. and I don't mean like you go back in time, I mean like let's say tomorrow you wake up, all the Jews are just gone after the huge party is over. Do you, would you think that white people would suddenly become higher in group preference, or even gradually, or do you think that there would still be this, you know, fetish with the exotic?
Rebecca Hargraves
01:22:20 No, I think there would still be the fetish with the exotic. I mean, I think that there needs to be Jewish removal and there needs to be remigration, and then those that remain. I mean, I don't know what we're going to do with blacks that have been here for 400 years, but there needs to be segregation, voluntary or otherwise,
Devon Stack
01:22:37 right? But I'm just saying, like, do you think that would be a natural outcome of all the Jews vanishing. Let me put it that way, like organically, that would just happen.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:22:50 I think there would be natural, more natural segregation efforts. Yeah, but do I think that we would get to the kind of white society that I want, no, but I think that I would be able to have this kind of white fiefdom without having to worry about Jewish subversion all the time, or like Jews air dropping a bunch of fucking Congolese in North Idaho, or whatever is going to happen, so there would be that. I mean, I think that it's a step towards building trust in white societies, and
Devon Stack
01:23:22 it would, it would make it a lot easier. I mean, perfect example is just like if you look at return of the land, who's suing them right now? It's, you know, Jew, right? Yeah, it would be infinitely easier. I'm not saying that it wouldn't be easier, I'm just saying that I think that the people are underestimating.
01:23:40 We talk a lot about on this stream about how how biologically driven behavior is, and I think people are underestimating the unfortunate biological behavior of white people that sometimes leads to this demographic displacement, because we're letting them in now, obviously we
Rebecca Hargraves
01:24:01 are highly altruistic, much to our detriment, but how much of that is Jewish propaganda? I mean, if you will, a lot of it
Devon Stack
01:24:07 is no, a lot of it is like I would say,
Rebecca Hargraves
01:24:10 let's let's remove Jews from society, let's remove Jewish propaganda from society, let's replace it with white nationalist propaganda. I think that in one generation we will be pretty close to where I would like to be. How can I, can I like get into the schools in this hypothetical situation?
Devon Stack
01:24:29 Oh, can you, you mean like, well, I guess what I'm saying is like, if you removed, like, if all the Jews magically disappeared, then you know, whoever, whatever Jews were working in the school system would have disappeared. Also, so you'd have to replace, you know, they'd be replaced with somebody,
Rebecca Hargraves
01:24:48 and they can't come back.
Devon Stack
01:24:50 No, they're just gone. They're on planet Jew now.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:24:52 I think we would imagine that planet,
Devon Stack
01:24:54 planet Jew, like Mars. No, it'd be great. Like, imagine if, like, existence.. Split into two, and so, like, we all wake up one morning, all the Jews are gone. They wake up on another planet that's exact copy, but everyone but Jews are gone, and they're just like, "Oh, I vay, it's just
Rebecca Hargraves
01:25:11 us. What are we gonna do? Yeah, what are we gonna
Devon Stack
01:25:15 do now? No more goyum slaves.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:25:19 I think in two generations we would be trending very close in the right direction. I do,
Devon Stack
01:25:25 yeah. No, I do think it's like that would be a big thing. Now let me ask you this, do you, do you think actually, you know, here's something we should do a stream on because when the English kicked the Jews out in what year was that in like 16 or 15 something,
Rebecca Hargraves
01:25:57 let's see, we got 1290 the Edict of Expulsion.
Devon Stack
01:26:04 After that,
Rebecca Hargraves
01:26:05 let's see, we've got 1656
Devon Stack
01:26:08 Yeah, that's the one I'm thinking of, because by then England's very Christian. Obviously, I would like to see how that was presented to the people, and why there seemingly was not the obstacle of how, why are we to kick out God's chosen people now? I think, obviously, a lot of it's different, because the king can just, you know, do
Rebecca Hargraves
01:26:33 whatever he wants,
Devon Stack
01:26:34 right? And say, well, I'm the head of the church, and so, you know, I can just say this, and it works, but I'd like to see if there was some kind of reasoning, you know, put out to people to explain it to them why it was okay to do. But anyway,
Rebecca Hargraves
01:26:53 what was your question?
Devon Stack
01:26:55 Which question
Rebecca Hargraves
01:26:57 you were like, let me ask you a question. Another question,
Devon Stack
01:27:02 I forgot, I forgot what it was, but anyway,
Rebecca Hargraves
01:27:08 I don't, I don't want people to think this is really contentious, because I'm actually very sympathetic to your perspective, right?
Devon Stack
01:27:12 No, and I get it too, like, look, all almost all of my friends are some brand of Christianity, right? Like, I don't have a problem. My whole family is, is very religious, and I don't see it as like this evil I must eradicate from the earth. I just, I do see the very real problem.
01:27:33 I'm a problem solver. I have a.. I think like an engineer, and I think of, like, I troubleshoot, and I, when I think about, like, well, here's the problem I'm trying to solve, and the problem I'm trying to solve that I'm always trying to solve, that I've been trying to solve for a decade now, is white genocide. How do I prevent white people from going extinct?
01:27:53 I want white continuity, I want white prosperity, and I start to look at the system, and I start to think, like, where the, where are the vulnerabilities here, where are the bugs? Where you know what? What are the things actually causing some of these problems? You know, what are the what are the parts that might have gone bad that I can swap out and to fix this system.
01:28:13 And unfortunately, when I look at the at least the last couple 100 years of, you know this country's history, and you look at the things that have either invited or exacerbated demographic replacement, a lot of times it's not just Jews, I mean, yeah, there's obviously Jews played a very significant role, and you know that's that's goes without saying, I think at this point, but it, I think that people overlook the role that Universalism has, you know, that that role that that's played, and it's not an insignificant role, and so I
Rebecca Hargraves
01:28:58 agree, yeah,
Devon Stack
01:28:59 you know, it, when I, when I first started looking at this, too, I didn't even - I wasn't even like attributing it necessarily to Christianity. I was just attributing to, like, well, it's universalism - it's people thinking that, you know, that we're all basically spiritually equal.
01:29:13 If you know these people, if a significant number of white people have a spiritual view of the world, that we're all just kind of spirits inhabiting a physical body, and even if our physical bodies are different, our spirits are all the same. Well, then that makes sense.
01:29:25 Why you wouldn't care that the physical bodies are so different, because our, you know, we're all spirit children, the same mama, mama and papa, spirit daddy, or whatever. You know, like, I get it, like it makes sense why that that would happen.
01:29:38 And so then I started looking more into, like, okay. Well, where is this coming from? And I was like, oh, this, and then I was kind of hoping it would just be like, oh, it's just this, this, and this, the rest of the, you know, it's just these three denominations that are that view the universe like this, and then the rest of our know that they're all pretty much universalists, like, and.
01:30:00 And if they weren't, I'd be like, okay, let's, let's promote this version, because it's just easier than trying to reboot it and start like a whole new religion up, you know, again, just being pragmatic here, I'm just trying to solve a problem, and you know, like it's, it's, it's kind of black pilling when you, when you see the degree to which the problem, and here's the other thing, too, like it's not even - I don't even think that you'd almost have to have control over the society if you let's say you invented a new religion, I mean, look at the way Christianity was spread to Europe, it wasn't because it was like some guy showed up and was like, "Let's be Christians, and it spread like some kind of like Avon multi-level marketing, you know, thing.
01:30:46 It was, it was decreed from on high, like it was basically forced on the people that you have to be Christian or die, basically. And so they did it, that's how they converted everybody. And so, and that's kind of like, I think if you were to come up with something new, you'd have to do that, you'd have to be in a position of power where you could say you have to be a stackist now, or you're, or you're executed. I think that
Rebecca Hargraves
01:31:11 I mean, right, we need to have truth as our, as our moral center, otherwise, what are we even doing here?
Devon Stack
01:31:19 Well, yeah, yeah, but
Rebecca Hargraves
01:31:22 we've got to be uncompromising on that. I mean, if I understand, like, that the masses need to be shifted and they need to fall into line, because look at what they've done with this country and Western Europe, but you know, it's it's got to be, it's got to be rooted in, in truth.
Devon Stack
01:31:41 Well, if let me ask you this, are you always honest, 100% with your kids, or do you sometimes tell them little white lies to get them to do what you want?
Rebecca Hargraves
01:31:48 I tell them big ass lies every single day. I lie to those kids constantly. It's not good parenting, though. It is, though. I don't know. I mean, I've exposed them to like too many truths about death, and now they're asking questions all the time. Even my two year old is asking me some questions.
01:32:05 It's, you know, so I understand that there is, there is too much truth that you can reveal, but I think that's also a timing issue. Like, if I were a better parent, I would find a way to shield them from the truth without lying to them, but you know they're just so infuriating that I just, I just have to lie to them all the time, I mean, I don't have to, but I do, yeah.
Devon Stack
01:32:28 Well, anyway, that's kind of why we wanted to go over the Know Nothing movement, because it's, it kind of creates like all these opportunities to talk about our current situation, because of some of the similar failings and some of the things they had in common.
01:32:47 I did think it was interesting, like I said, a lot of the similarities in terms of, like, here we have this populist movement that's worried about demographics and the economy and blah blah, and they go through all these phases. Well, what happened immediately afterwards? Civil War, and I do kind of wonder, like, is is if there are these similar things that we're seeing manifest in today's society.
01:33:11 If we have a similar future ahead, who knows? I mean, that's the kind of thing that I mean people have been predicting, as long as I've been alive, they've been talking about fucking Civil War 2.0 and it just doesn't.. I think that the thing that makes that less likely is the fact that it's multiracial, right? Because it's.. yeah,
01:33:32 I mean, weirdly, I mean, I could see race war, but that's not the same as Civil War. Yeah, so
Rebecca Hargraves
01:33:39 no, I understand. I mean, obviously, we're on the precipice of something happening.
Devon Stack
01:33:43 Do you think so?
Rebecca Hargraves
01:33:45 Yeah, I think so. I mean, I think that we could deal with one with one or two of the things going on that are happening, but a financial calamity is incoming eminently, and we're not going to be able to deal with everything.
01:33:58 The demographic issue in the abs, as long as we didn't have financial turmoil, I think that we would be able to put, you know, kick that can down the road for a generation, probably. I mean, not me, I'm chronically pissed off, but I think that too many things are happening simultaneously,
Devon Stack
01:34:15 you know. When I was a cringe libertarian doing libertarian propaganda, like about 15 years ago now, I remember, or maybe not quite 15 years ago, I remember I did a video, and where there was a lot of libertarian hand-wringing about the debt possibly reaching $20 trillion and now it's 40 trillion, I think
Rebecca Hargraves
01:34:38 it's higher than that. Let me see,
Devon Stack
01:34:40 so it doesn't seem to matter.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:34:44 Well, I'm not worried about the debt. It's, it's 39 point 4 trillion. I am worried about the debt, but I'm worried about energy, and I'm worried about food scarcity. I'm worried about things like. That I mean, how much are we, are we going to be, are we going to sustain?
Devon Stack
01:35:04 I don't think. See, here's the thing, though, is this is why I'm kind of wondering if they see, I think I feel like at the very least they feel like they can pull it up. I think they feel like they've reached a level of with technology where food won't be a problem, they, I think, with GMOs and all the modern techniques they have for growing, you know, crops with very little resources.
01:35:32 I feel like they, I mean, look at no one in America is starving to death. Let's face it, we have the opposite problem. So, I don't think they're worried about making food, I don't think that they're worried about making energy, although that's probably maybe a bigger problem, obviously with the systems we have in place right now, having to worry about fossil fuels and stuff like that, but I feel like that that's that's something that's being addressed, and they're going to come up with technologies that'll, little, I mean, look, they always have that they can always play the nuke card.
01:36:07 It's not, I mean, those power plants produce, you know, a lot of energy for very little, you know, material. You don't, it's not like you have to be, you don't need a lot of resources put into a nuke plant to power like a huge city, and the only thing that's stopping them from doing that is is politics. So, like, I think worst case, they're not going to be
Rebecca Hargraves
01:36:30 able to turn us into a nuclear energy nation overnight. I mean, we are an oil-based economy, and our strategic petroleum reserves are basically depleted. It's going to take one natural disaster, one like terrible hurricane, to turn everything on its head. Also, we have no idea what the gold reserves are like. We have no idea what those are like in China.
01:36:53 There's no transparency in our financial system, like they can't just do this forever. It's such a stupid elite mindset to think that we're going to be able to replace these tangible assets that run our nation, that run the world with some nebulous technology that that is yet to exist. I mean, if they think that they're going to do that, they're totally delusional. Eventually, the chickens are going to come home to roost on this one. They can't put it off any longer.
Devon Stack
01:37:21 Look, I hope you're right, because I feel like, you know, a black swan event is, is exactly what we need, but at the same time, it's kind of like I've been hearing people predict this, you know, this basically saying the same thing since the 1980s saying that, like, how they're gonna, they're gonna keep spending all this money, and eventually you know it's all going to collapse, and, and that you know, here we are.
01:37:45 It's like 4050 years later, and it's like, when is it going to collapse, guys? It doesn't seem like it's collapsing yet, and I think, as long as we always have the military upper hand, and maybe that'll be the first sign that you know that the collapse is coming, and you could argue, well, what just happened? That I ran, right? It wasn't exactly some big success, but it wasn't exactly some mass casualty event either, for you know, for Americans. So,
Rebecca Hargraves
01:38:12 yeah, but the fact that they were even able to play ball is somewhat remarkable,
Devon Stack
01:38:16 right?
Rebecca Hargraves
01:38:16 We're supposed to be this massive international military power, and and we're just getting smoked by cheap drones, it's just incredible to me. I think it really shows this old mindset that I think that should be
Devon Stack
01:38:30 encouraging too, for just the people that
Rebecca Hargraves
01:38:32 it should be encouraging, right? Because we could just, we could just do that, malicious could just do that. I mean, right? No,
Devon Stack
01:38:38 seriously, like the whole drone thing, that like when people used to say, "Oh, what are you gonna do with your AR 15? You know, go against a tank.
01:38:44 It's like, well, maybe not, but maybe, maybe, maybe with like a digi, you know, give me a little little digi drone, and and strap like a little fucking sticky bomb on the side of it, and we're good to go. Apparently, apparently, that's all it takes. We're
Rebecca Hargraves
01:38:59 looking at when people are talking about, like, a civil war. I don't think that they're able to comprehend how different that's going to be than any previous civil war that's existed. Like, I, what we don't understand what that would look like. Yeah, look what's going on with Ukraine and Russia.
01:39:15 Look at what's going on with Ukraine and Russia. I think that's a good example. It's going to be like targeted drone warfare, right? What it's going to look like. There's going to be a major technological aspect to it. It's going to be painful. I mean, I'm not.. I think of Peter Schiff all the time when I.. when I'm talking about the.. I think about him all the
Devon Stack
01:39:33 time too,
Rebecca Hargraves
01:39:34 because the handsome man started YouTube. Peter Schiff, no, he's Jewish. Um, every one of his videos from like 2015 has been like economy in shambles, like it collapsed, you know, incoming and everything like that, and like I think he's a little bit early to the game, but you can't just do this forever, you can't just print money. Forever, you can't deplete, you know, the petroleum reserves.
01:40:03 You can't do stuff like this, like there's no.. I can't think of a solution that's going to prevent, at some point, us having to deal with the realities of the financial situation that we're dealing with. And it's not like our country has never dealt with this before. I mean, look at, look at 1929 we still have fractional reserve banking, we still have all these problems. The mortgage-backed security issue has, has been recycled to some degree in different financial liabilities. Like, I don't, I don't really see how we've remedied any of these problems in the past.
Devon Stack
01:40:37 You don't think that at that point we won't just take over something and just take their shit,
Rebecca Hargraves
01:40:42 yeah, but I mean, what, what are like Venezuela, like
Devon Stack
01:40:45 Venezuela style, will just go in there and be like yoink,
Rebecca Hargraves
01:40:48 yeah, but there are major logistical issues, especially with Venezuela, like the ability to refine the transport problem, I mean, we can't just like take oil, bring it to the United States and make everything run again. It's a very complex system based on refinery capabilities and imports and the Strait of Hormuz. I mean, I don't, I don't, I don't know how we're going to be able to square the circle for much longer. Do I think it's imminent? Yes, but I might be wrong.
Devon Stack
01:41:18 Look, I hope it is.
01:41:18 I've been hoping it was for a long time, because, like, I said, it's times like that when you all kinds of opportunities that don't exist otherwise open up to you, you know, like all of a sudden all the normies that are asleep at the wheel, who you know, you talk about revolution, they're just like, what, but I want to keep my cushy job, so I can watch Netflix and drink Starbucks, and whatever, and get Door Dash all of a sudden, when all those things become impossible, when you know the the the creature comforts dry up, you know you get people that are a little more open to hearing about your radical ideas about who should be in charge, yeah,
Rebecca Hargraves
01:41:55 or who is to blame somebody the live chat just said Peter Schiff has predicted 20 of the last two economic crashes. Yeah, that's exactly right. Is that the guy,
Devon Stack
01:42:04 the predict, the big short, not the, not the big short, the guy who predicted the 2008 crash? Who was that guy? Yeah, where they had the movie about him, right?
Rebecca Hargraves
01:42:17 Yeah, that was Michael Berry.
Devon Stack
01:42:18 Okay,
Rebecca Hargraves
01:42:19 yeah, he's he's a shrewd investor. His portfolio is interesting these days. This is an unexpected turn. Devon,
Devon Stack
01:42:28 no. This is kind of what I was. I wanted to talk about this stuff. I thought this is the kind of fuel for this kind of a fire. I thought that, because, because a lot of this stuff does like the Know Nothing Party stuff does kind of like I said it rhymes with what's going on now.
01:42:47 It was a populist movement that was worried about the economy and worried about demographics, and they didn't take a race, race-first stance on anything, and so they failed. They accepted a Jew as the face, not maybe not necessarily, maybe that's overstating, saying is the face the movement, but like to some extent he was, because he was, he was a good orator, and he was good at organizing, even though he wasn't even Protestant, let alone white, so like you see a lot of this same kind of shit going on where you have people making excuses. Well, he's really good at speaking, even though he's not white, and he's a homosexual.
01:43:29 Yeah, and so, like, you have a lot of this same stuff going on, and I think it leads to the same place where you know you end up not having your, your demographic issue ever resolved, and in the case of the 1940s going to the, or I'm sorry, 1840s going to the 1850s it led to, you know, a distraction where they just waved slavery in everyone's face, and then they all forgot all about the, the Catholics, I guess, and then fought a civil war, so it makes you wonder if something similar would be happening today, where you have a bunch of people growing concern about, you know, all this immigration, the economy, and look over here, let this other problem, civil war, I mean, I don't know,
Rebecca Hargraves
01:44:19 yeah, no, no, I totally agree. If we don't make demographics central to any movement, then it's like, what are we, what are we even doing here, right? The right demographics, too,
Devon Stack
01:44:30 right? All right, let's, let's take a look at, at some, some super chats, I guess. Or do you want me
Rebecca Hargraves
01:44:36 to go first?
Devon Stack
01:44:39 Sure.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:44:40 All right, Ben. Big dono. Thank you. As a heritage American who has an ancestor signed the Mayflower Compact, and whose ancestors fought in the revolution, I happily joined the Catholic Church this Easter, joining my ancestors and yours, Devon. God bless you. Well, welcome to the church.
Devon Stack
01:44:57 Yeah, my aunt's literally not on my ancestor. Researchers are Catholic, not a single one, because they are founding stock Americans, and no one that's founding stock America was Catholic.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:45:05 Yeah, all of my ancestors were Anglican, that is true. Yeah, Dusty Rhodes. Thank you. Vincent says dropping religion won't fix this. You need to defend it and fix it. You drop it and fill the void with whatever, whatever the Jews will force their way in.
01:45:19 What you guys need to fix the bigger issue is gatekeep or this will happen again, but that is an argument that I'm also willing to listen to. What force, what unifying force is going to be the greatest assault against the Jews? And like that's where we need to put our efforts.
Devon Stack
01:45:39 Well, like I said, I think it has to be the same, because here's the thing: if you, if you stick to the biological realities of the world, like you were the one that said you don't want to lie to people, okay? Well, you can make a very honest argument that not only are they not biologically us, they actually have a biologically driven behavior, and that has been demonstrated for centuries to where they periodically in a very predictable way show up in our societies parasitically, and
Rebecca Hargraves
01:46:13 I didn't say I don't want to lie to Jews, I don't care about that.
Devon Stack
01:46:16 No, no, I'm saying, like, if you want to talk to the, if you want to talk to white people about what to do about the Jewish problem, or if you want to explain the Jewish problem to them.
01:46:24 I don't think that the most persuasive argument is a religious one, because then you can't get - you can't get - I mean, there's so many Christians can agree on, as we just described, the Protestants and the Catholics were arguing about what version of the fucking Bible they read in school, and they were stabbing and shooting each other over it, so like making a religious argument about Jews is gonna like that's an uphill battle.
01:46:48 Just be honest and say, like, look, they're not us, they are a different race than we are, and yet they show up and they take over our racial hierarchies, and and so they need to be treated like a parasite, they need to be removed from positions of power where they can do that.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:47:07 Yeah, no, I agree. And when, when I introduce this to people, I never began with a religious argument. Yeah, I agree with you there. Pride assassin got booted from Discord for telling an Israeli to get out of my country, may have offered a free hemp necklace. Thank you for that. Thank you, Secret Hitler.
01:47:25 Thank you, Conan. Lizard killer, a big donut. Thank you. I was late to last week's show, so I missed my opportunity to rant about faggot prankster kikes. Oh, well, here are my shackles. I love how the with the way he had to put this through YouTube. Well done, you made it here. My shackles notice it's prankster and not pranker, because adding the st is the American way. Huckster, I like it. Wait, it wasn't huckster, it was hoaxer.
Devon Stack
01:47:53 Hoax, sir. No, it's hoaxer is the real way of saying it. In fact, someone sent me a Google N gram of hoaxer versus hoaxer, and it was like ridiculous. You lose. I'll have to find it again, but you totally lose. It is
Rebecca Hargraves
01:48:07 fine. It
Devon Stack
01:48:08 is hoaxer
Rebecca Hargraves
01:48:09 huge donation from Romega. God bless. Keep up the great work. Thank you so much. All right, I think we're good over here. I'm gonna reload.
Devon Stack
01:48:16 All right, over here we got.. well, I'll check. oops, I hit the wrong button over here. Hang on, let me hit the right button. All right, we got Love and a Vision. Says, I think the most pro-white thing that we can do.. oops, let me stop that. Probably thing we can do is normalize anti-Semitism.
01:48:42 We need to openly talk about a pogrom. Christians have forgotten that Jesus rejected the Jews. As a Christian, I do put Christ first, but that means white preservation. I just don't know how putting Christ first means white preservation, because I don't. there's nothing in the Christian religion that argues that that whites are particularly better or necessary for Christ's plan to resolve, like if all of white people go extinct, but Catholicism still exists, what does it matter?
Rebecca Hargraves
01:49:16 Yeah, I mean, I guess there's
Devon Stack
01:49:19 nothing in the Catholic religion that says, oh, and if white people go extinct, then Jesus will be really mad like that, like that. It's not anywhere in there. So that's my point, is like there, it's not, it's not an immoral imperative to preserve the white race anywhere in Christianity, and, and that's, I think, I think that's an issue. Love Division also says Devon, you should challenge Fuentes to a cage fight.
01:49:45 Wow, I would.. that'd be like the fastest cage fight that ever happened. Yeah, well, I don't.. I don't think he would accept to be in the same room as me. It at all,
Rebecca Hargraves
01:50:01 his weight is my goal weight. He weighs like 28 pounds,
Devon Stack
01:50:06 that's like how much like my thigh weighs, like it's
Rebecca Hargraves
01:50:10 so short because I'm five six. I wonder if he's shorter than I am.
Devon Stack
01:50:15 He is short. He's like, what, you're five six?
Rebecca Hargraves
01:50:21 I'm five six.
Devon Stack
01:50:22 He's got, he's got to be, yeah. I think I think he's like about as tall as you, because every photo I've ever seen of him, he's wearing like those three inch fucking lifts, and like, you don't do that unless you're like fucking freak short,
Rebecca Hargraves
01:50:34 man. 128 pounds for a man, because a five six woman that's 128 pounds is thin, like especially if she works out, but for a man that's like cadaverous.
Devon Stack
01:50:46 Yeah,
Rebecca Hargraves
01:50:46 I think he's probably like five. Do you think he's like five two?
Devon Stack
01:50:50 He's a little guy, he's probably.. I don't, I don't know if it's five two, but it's probably like five three territory. Oh,
Rebecca Hargraves
01:50:56 that sucks. That's a tough break,
Devon Stack
01:50:59 because, because he'll be wearing those lifts on his shoes, and stand and still be the shortest guy in the picture. You know what I mean, like he'll be wearing lifts that should at least put him up to like where he's like close to someone's height, but like he's still like noticeably the shortest person in the picture.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:51:17 Man, that's a bummer.
Devon Stack
01:51:19 So he's a little, it makes
Rebecca Hargraves
01:51:20 me feel bad for him. What a tough break for a man,
Devon Stack
01:51:28 I don't really care. Fuck him,
Rebecca Hargraves
01:51:35 man. Let's at the bummer.
Devon Stack
01:51:36 Nah, I.. I don't know. I mean, some guys, like, I, I had a friend that was, he was, he was, he was less than five feet tall, and yeah, and he leaned, do it into it, like he was a gymnast, and so, like, he tried to make it work, like, because, like, oh, what are you gonna
Rebecca Hargraves
01:51:57 do? Yeah, I'm
Devon Stack
01:51:58 like all nimble, and I can do little back flips and stuff, I guess. Easy, and maybe be like a jet fighter pilot, because those guys are all really short. I don't know,
01:52:07 yeah,
01:52:07 but that guy, he was like a really nice guy, good looking guy. I mean, for like, you know, I mean, he's tiny, but like, you know, he was like a.. if you didn't know that, he was.. if you just saw like a head shot, you'd be like a good looking guy, and yeah, it's just I, he's gonna die alone, because
Rebecca Hargraves
01:52:24 did he ever get laid?
Devon Stack
01:52:25 He did, like, in high school a little bit, and then after high school, I don't know what happened.
01:52:31 I think part of was a confidence thing, right? Like, I think that after, I think I don't think you can be like that short and not have a confidence thing, you know, like, not have a problem, and because he's a nice guy, like, you know, has a good job, and you know, but yeah, but anyway, I feel bad for him, but that's because he's a cool guy, but, but the people that are short and get, they get like short person loud syndrome, you know what I mean, or like they try to make up for it, but like I'm gonna have the big personality instead, and because I'm so small, and it's just like I want to kill you, like with my bare hands, what fucking twist your head off, like you know, like, like I don't know, something that's easily twisted off, like a grape, I don't know, loving a vision also says Devon, I think Christians can be re-educated.
01:53:27 I'm afraid that separating Christian or Christians from the war for whites is not going to be productive. Well, it depends on what you mean by that.
01:53:36 I'm not saying, like, look, I'm very aware of the reality that at the minimum Christianity is a legacy system that you can't just wave away, even if you wanted to, right? Like, I'm very well aware that to the degree that white people are religious, they're Christian in any meaningful way, right? Like that is far and away the most adhered to white religion, and I'm also well aware of the fact that most people on the side of truth and good are also religious, and so this is just a..
01:54:16 it's a reality, and I'm not going to be. that's that is, so don't misunderstand me. I'm not, I'm not one of these people where I'm envisioning some atheist utopia, where you know, the where I feel like the only possible way to remove Jewish influence or to save the white race is through some weird space atheism, space white power atheism, or so. I don't, I don't even know what it would look like, you know, like some kind of white power Star Trek shit, but I, but I am saying this
Rebecca Hargraves
01:54:52 Star Trek, but,
Devon Stack
01:54:54 but we, I'm also not gonna just like not mention it, because I'm afraid that Christians will. Start getting butthurt at me, and stop watching my show, which does happen, by the way. Christians get, yeah, you start talking like this, and, and pointing out the obvious issues, and that they're like, oh yeah, I'm just gonna watch the guy that says that he's, he's religious, instead, and it's like, all right, good luck, buddy, need
Rebecca Hargraves
01:55:17 to be, we need to be mulling these things over, because this is a huge problem.
Devon Stack
01:55:21 It's a huge problem. It's not a, it's not an insignificant issue. And I, quite frankly, don't hear any good solutions for this problem coming from Christians.
01:55:31 I would love to, I would love to, because it would make it so much easier. It'd be so convenient for someone to be like, "Oh, I found, I found the hack, I found the hack that makes Christianity and white nationalism go hand in hand, and everyone's got all you to do is do this one little trick, like you know, like the, like the, the thumbnails, like, oh, here's turn Christianity into Nazi Germany with this one little trick, I want to know what that trick is, and I just don't see it, and I think that the problem is is foundational enough to where I don't think that that'll happen, but Who knows? Who knows, I could be wrong, just maybe I'm just not creative enough, and I'm just not seeing it, but that's my point, is like if I don't bring it up, not a whole lot of people will like, there's just not a lot of people bringing up this problem.
01:56:24 There's a lot of people acting like it doesn't exist, and there's a lot of people acting like their particular brand of Christianity that, like, seven people adhere to is the big solution, and it's like it's not. So that's why I bring it up. Supreme Rabbi Satan says, Oy Vey, you better keep an eye on those swarthy Catholics.
01:56:46 Yeah, and like I said, look, the thing about the Catholic stuff is like the Pope, I mean, for fuck's sake, it's like humiliation ritual at this point, being Catholic, it's like everything that every Catholic has ever told me about how, like, they're the solution to, like, the demographic, like, there's so many Catholics that have, like, confidently told me that, like, that that's the solution to, like, white, white genocide is Catholicism, and that's just so obviously the opposite of the truth, and every time, like, you know, there's a new pope that's, that's like faggier than the last one.
01:57:24 They're like, oh, well, that's just because of Vatican Two, and it's just like, shut the fuck up. Yeah, like, you can't fix your own religion, don't tell me you can fix my fucking country.
01:57:34 So, yeah, let me know when there's like, let me know when there's a based pope, and and they're like, well, we couldn't, we don't pick the pope, it's like, well, then that sounds like that sounds like a you problem, you know, that sounds like that's a big deal, like you can't even, like you can't even, you know what happens if you have like a literal like pro trans pro fag pope, like, like maybe you already have, but I mean, like publicly pro trans pro fag pope, what are you gonna do?
01:58:01 Like, oh goddamn Vatican two, like it's so stupid. It's just like every time I bring this up, well, it's.. it literally sounds like when you, when you talk to a Jew and you're like, oh, what about this guy, was a Jew, that's not a real Jew. It's like, get the fuck out of here, you know.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:58:20 Adam Green is in the chat. Hey, hey, good to see you.
Devon Stack
01:58:25 All right, then we got, let's see here, Pork Chop Express says replay gang, a replay gang. Devon, a previous viewer, brought up Edgar Steele as a possible stream. Don't know much about him, but his conviction sounds fishy. Might be a good stream for Outlaws too. I don't know who Edgar Steele is. I'll look him up, though. I'll put him in
Rebecca Hargraves
01:58:51 the outline in
Devon Stack
01:58:51 the thing. All right, then we got Reaver from Craigslist. Says, would you guys consider doing a stream on labor unions? Would be good to know the history and see the influence on politics today, i.e. how a Jew assassin is part of what derailed the homestead strike.
01:59:12 I have to look into that. I'm not sure what you mean, but yeah, I mean, obviously labor unions had a very cozy relationship with Marxism, communism, and stuff like that, and so the right has this natural hatred of labor, labor unions, because of that relationship and that association, but I feel like that's that's too binary thinking, that's probably a little more nuanced than that, because it's not like there aren't real problems where there should, I mean, it's not like there isn't a time and a place where workers should, should you know, pool their, their, their, I guess, bargaining power together,
Rebecca Hargraves
01:59:57 collective bargaining, you say.
Devon Stack
02:00:00 Well, I mean, to some extent, right? Like, I mean, you look at some of the, some of the worker
Rebecca Hargraves
02:00:04 conditions were just abhorrent,
Devon Stack
02:00:06 right? I mean, especially like in industries like mining and whatnot, like, you know, let's see here. Then we got Gorilla Hand says, I hope that both of you had a great Fourth of July weekend, did either of you hear Patriot Front Thomas Rousseau's speech at the rally? It was very inspiring, and he's a better leader than Fuentes.
Rebecca Hargraves
02:00:31 Oh yeah, it made me want to stand up and cheer. I've listened to it like four times now. I'm going to talk about it on the reset tomorrow. Um, I think that he is just really emerging as the most feasible leader, I like his persona. I like what he stands for. I really like Patriot Front.
02:00:50 I think that they are the real deal. I really do. And you know, any way that I could support it, support them. You know, if you're in Patriot Front, please, please let me know.
Devon Stack
02:01:02 Yeah, in fact, I think we'd like to have him on and interview him at some point, if we can get hold of him. So I'd like to look, I just don't know him. I'd like to talk to him, though. But I've been impressed with what I've seen so far, and obviously almost anything's better than a gay Mexican. So honestly, him being a better leader than, than it's so funny, the response that that Nick had was like, oh yeah, I could have done that, just a little
Rebecca Hargraves
02:01:32 bitch about it, but I don't want to do this thing of like he's just a better leader than Nick Fuentes, he's he's followed by any standard, that speech was, that's a pretty low standard. Delivered, it is a low standard. I think that speech was perfectly delivered. It was just executed with gusto. It stirred my spirit, and it made me be, you know, proud to be part of what's going on. Like, I just thought it was fantastic. It was the best political speech I've heard in my lifetime.
Devon Stack
02:02:01 Yeah, it was pretty good, and like, so I'd like to talk to them, and you know, I think that it's, it's, it says a lot that they're still around, and they're, and they haven't, you know, there hasn't been any like big embarrassments for them, there hasn't been any big scandals, or like that, and given the I'll tell you what, they're hated by all the right people, which is also encouraging, because when you look on Twitter, all of the people calling them feds or counter signaling them, or whatever, are all the people that should be scared, quite frankly, they should be scared, and so, including Nick, he should be scared, and so that makes me happy when I see that kind of a response.
02:02:48 It makes me feel like they're onto something.
Rebecca Hargraves
02:02:51 Well, it made me feel like Fuentes has totally jumped the shark.
Devon Stack
02:02:54 Well, he did a long time ago, but
Rebecca Hargraves
02:02:56 yeah, but it's really solidified now, because I've just been waiting for a more serious movement to emerge organically to usurp Fuentes from his, you know, clownish, his clown-ish role, and it seems like Ruth, that was the obvious choice.
Devon Stack
02:03:11 I could do a Patriot fund if I wanted to, like that was that was literally his response.
Rebecca Hargraves
02:03:18 Black chick on the subway thing, just.. oh, that was hilarious. Perfectly, it was so good. The media coverage was excellent. Like, I don't think this could have gone better for them.
Devon Stack
02:03:29 Yeah. No, and that's the thing, is they've made.. they've.. they've been able to maintain good optics, and yeah, I think that.. and people are always like, "Oh, well, you know that feds have infiltrated them. Sure, are you trying to tell me that there's not a single fed that doesn't pretend to be a griper online? I mean, give me a fucking break. Like, everything's been infiltrated.
02:03:52 I'm sure, like, there's feds in the insomnia stream audience. There's probably a fed listening to us right now. You know, it is what it is, but if you, the whole, it doesn't matter, though. If your organization doesn't do illegal things, then you don't have to worry about it. All you're doing is you're making some fed have to go do community service somewhere, like, you know, if that's, you know, if that's all you're worried about.
02:04:18 It's here's what we learned from Pat Conn. I think people took the wrong message from Pat Con by assuming that, like, oh, the feds are everywhere, they're gonna infiltrate everything, and so we shouldn't do anything. It's like, no, you shouldn't have, like, a cabin in the woods where you talk about, like, bombing a synagogue, like that's what you shouldn't do, because if you do that and there's a Fed, then you go to jail.
02:04:40 You shouldn't, you shouldn't try to buy hand grenades from some guy you just met the other day that's going to your white supremacist like cookout, you know, that's what you shouldn't do, right? No, but you
Rebecca Hargraves
02:04:53 have to organize, it's, it's so central to everything that we're trying to do, we got to get this movement off of the internet.
Devon Stack
02:05:00 Right,
Rebecca Hargraves
02:05:01 and that's what Patriot Front is doing, and they're doing it appropriately, and I, and I like their opt, everyone's, "Why are they masked? Why are they masked? It's like they're.. it's the least threatening kind of mask that exists, and all that footage of them talking to people, like white people on the subway, was just lovely. I just thought this was executed, just chefs kiss,
Devon Stack
02:05:19 right? No, and this thing is like, like, like, if you're not doing anything illegal, doing illegal, and you're creating one really important, it's not just that we have to do stuff IRL, because you have to get off the couch, it's that you, in order to create a movement, you have to create these bonds between people that can only exist when you are beating in real life, and you are networking, and that's how this nepotism stuff that we always talk about works, too.
02:05:45 If it's just some random guy DMs me and asks me for a job, or like, 'Hey, bro, can you like vouch for me at some like company that, like, you know, the guy who runs it? Like, I don't know this guy, but if I've gone to a bunch of events and cookouts and done community service with this guy like four or five times, and he wants me to like hook him up with a job. I'm infinitely more likely to help him out, and so.. and that's how
Rebecca Hargraves
02:06:07 Patriot Front and Nova operate. Like, I need help planning an event, so I like texted one person from Patriot Front, one person for Nova, and they're like, "I've got this guy here and I've got this guy here, and people are calling me, they're scheduling meetings. It was just seamless. They just. they have people on the ground that know each other, they're vetted. I trust them,
Devon Stack
02:06:26 and that's where I think, you know, people need to start, you know, not just with Patriot Front stuff, like with Arvalls doing. I think that more and more, and including myself, I think that we need to be doing more IRL activism, and Nick's
Rebecca Hargraves
02:06:43 trying to stop that, which makes me, you know, oh yeah, I think it makes him suspect that he's trying, because the thing is that we're not going to eliminate risk, we are, we're incurring some level of risk just by talking about this on the internet, and you can't stop doing things just because fed infiltration is a virtual inevitability. You just have to know how to deal with them properly.
02:07:04 I mean, there have been feds embedded in like every single organization on the dissident right, and you just have to be the person online or be the person in real life that you are online. Then, like, what are they going to do? They're going to, they're going to leak videos of you talking about the Jews. Oh no, you mean I'm gonna sit, you're gonna.. people are gonna find out that I'm an anti-Semite. What a nightmare,
Devon Stack
02:07:25 right? No, and that's the thing is, is I think anyone that's trying to counter signal that or stop that is an enemy of the white race. And look, even Alex Jones, he paused for a moment, calling them feds, so that he could say that he worked. They work for the SPLC this time, and it's like
Rebecca Hargraves
02:07:45 Alex Jones say that
Devon Stack
02:07:46 he literally said that he
Rebecca Hargraves
02:07:48 recently,
Devon Stack
02:07:49 yeah, like the other day. Some left this was like, look at these white supremacists, and Alex Jones replied, Oh, you, why are you, why are you complaining about your leftist friends that work for the SPLC?
Rebecca Hargraves
02:08:00 Oh, good Lord, I did have a bad take on Patriot Front in the beginning, because I just assumed that everybody was a, was a fed, but I, I denounce my previous statements, I think they're the real deal.
Devon Stack
02:08:15 Yeah, like, like I said, I don't,
Rebecca Hargraves
02:08:16 that was like seven years ago or something.
Devon Stack
02:08:19 Well, there you go. Look, I think that I think that even there are even some more Maga boomer types that are warming up to this. I did see, in fact, who's that actor that played Hercules? You know, talking about the long-haired guy in the fucking gay ass like Xena Warrior Princess era Hercules TV show,
Rebecca Hargraves
02:08:43 Kevin Sorbo,
Devon Stack
02:08:44 even he, I think, put out a tweet that was like, actually, I can see why they would wear a mask, because blah blah blah blah, you know, and I was like, wow, we got Hercules is like warming up to it, you know, we got James Woods the other day, you know, tweeting about white genocide. Now we got Hercules talking about maybe Patriot Fund ain't so bad,
Rebecca Hargraves
02:09:06 and who started it all? It was Ace of Base.
Devon Stack
02:09:10 Yeah, so like I think the tides turning a little bit, and I think that especially as MAGA itself is losing legitimacy, I mean, it's already been reduced to, I think, a shrinking number of like fan boys and sweepers, that's
Rebecca Hargraves
02:09:28 modern, it's Q Anon, basically,
Devon Stack
02:09:31 at this point, that's all who's still trusting the plan, and then you have the people, like the, the, I mean, the people that watch Nick aren't white anyway, so like, although I guess the Mexicans don't like them, but I can understand why, and so it's.. it's.. I think that they have at least a.. they have a chance here, as long as they play their cards right, and I'm sure that's gonna be a difficult thing to navigate. I feel like that they could be the next next big pro-white movement in America.
Rebecca Hargraves
02:10:08 I think they are. I think it's happening.
Devon Stack
02:10:09 Yeah, I think so. We'll see, we'll see. And, like, like I said, I don't, I don't know them personally, but everything I've seen I thought was positive. So, all right. Then we got Gorilla Hands. Also, says it seems to me, as of late, that our nation's law enforcement agencies are becoming incredibly corrupt and incompetent. Add flock cameras, DEI, and AI. Our situation is getting very dystopian.
02:10:42 Well, I'll tell you what, flock cameras are not exactly the sturdiest pieces of equipment, and, and I would say that AI is not the most reliable thing in the world either, and I think that you are right in that it will, it will facilitate, it will augment the capabilities of DEI law enforcement types to have AI, and it will, it will be, it's not a problem we can ignore, but at the same time, don't over estimate the capabilities that this white man's technology has in the, in the hands of brown people.
Rebecca Hargraves
02:11:24 Yeah,
Devon Stack
02:11:26 so, and like I said, in terms of like hardware, like the flock cameras, and things like that, look, everything that's electronic has a vulnerability, and with flock cameras, there's a lot of them, both physical and digital. Let's see here, we got Grill Hands. Also says I'm half a potato nigga, you racist. So there we go.
Rebecca Hargraves
02:11:52 Hey, the stuff with the Irish right now is, you know, I love the Irish, I really
Devon Stack
02:12:00 do. I'm breaking the law rules by reading these $5 ones, so I'm not gonna do that anymore. Sorry, sorry, sorry, Dagtastic. I appreciate it, but you know, rules are rules. Rabbi Baby Foreskin Eater says my comment last week about Devon having a face for radio was an attempt at humor, not a dig. The effort that goes into producing content is appreciated. That's okay.
Rebecca Hargraves
02:12:30 I have this like urge to synth for Devon. I don't know what it
Devon Stack
02:12:36 is. Oh, you're just trying to.. I can't.. it's because it doesn't work if I stick up for myself. No, actually, I'm, I'm not ugly guys. Well, yeah, just, it'll have the opposite effect. So,
Rebecca Hargraves
02:12:46 but I feel like I have to defend your honor.
Devon Stack
02:12:50 That's all good. It's all good. I don't even care if people think I'm ugly, because it's, it's like if I was actually ugly, I'd probably really care a lot, you know? I'd probably like, oh, shut up, guys. In fact, if I was.. if I was.. no, I'm actually a handsome Chad. Then you would.. then you would.. no, I wasn't. You know, maybe
Rebecca Hargraves
02:13:10 it has nothing to do with Devon, but I feel like attractive people should be rewarded in this day and age, because I go out in public and everyone's so fucking ugly, so ugly, and I'm like, you should not legally be able to procreate, you're so ugly, and so when people are good looking, you know, I hear a lot of people say, like, oh, you shouldn't, you shouldn't praise people for things that they aren't in control, and like, that's all we should praise people for.
Devon Stack
02:13:36 Have you been to a Walmart?
Rebecca Hargraves
02:13:38 Who cares about that?
Devon Stack
02:13:39 Have you been to, well, I don't know if other Walmart's where you're at, like where I'm at, like
Rebecca Hargraves
02:13:44 fucking terrible,
Devon Stack
02:13:46 like it's just like, who are these people?
Rebecca Hargraves
02:13:48 Yeah,
Devon Stack
02:13:49 I mean, that would be that would be the trick, like if we wanted to have eugenics, we would just start at the Walmarts, like anyone in a Walmart past 10 o'clock at night would just be instantly gassed, all right. We got, let's see here. Godzilla Hands says Hangar 18. I know too much. What's that a reference to? Hanger 18.
02:14:17 I don't
02:14:18 know. Does that ring any bells? Oh, it's a movie. Hanger 1819, 80 movie, American science fiction film about a government cover-up about a crashed UFO. Interesting, Godzilla hands knows about the UFOs at Area 50-One. Rivers of Blood says, while I am no fan of Eisenhower, he is an example of a recently elected leader that did physically expel large number of specs, perhaps a stream over that event to cover what worked and what didn't. Yeah, Operation Wetback is what he's talking about.
02:14:57 Yeah, it didn't work well enough. I mean, certainly not. Lasting, no lasting effects, but again, I don't know that it would be good to know, because I don't know logistically. I mean, you hear about it, right? And they say, like, oh yeah, they had busses, and they were like rounding them all up, and, and there's like photos of it, and it looks really cool, but I mean, obviously they didn't go through Chicago and clean out, you know, throw Nick's family in a bus, because he's here, so I mean, like, obviously some of them stay, stayed here, right? Like, there was, there's just, there was already a lot of Mexican, like, what year was that? That was like the fifth, or was that the 50s? I want to say it was like the 50s sometime, but yeah, I mean, maybe we should do that's not actually not a bad idea at all.
02:15:43 We should do Operation Wet Back as a stream to see exactly like, like, what? How many did they actually deport? What did they actually do? How much money went into it? What kind of.. because that's the other thing too, is legally, how'd they get it done, and was it just because I don't know the answers to the question, like, was it like a presidential, like, was it, was it like an EO, like executive order, or was it like something through Congress? I don't know, so maybe that's something to look at.
02:16:11 Let's see here, we got Professor Chaos says, I recently watched the killer Taco Bell, Nigg, and another piece of shit that still lives is Jamie Osuna, maybe stream worthy, maybe not, but look into what happened in his celly in prison. Jamie Osuna, you can add that to our, our notes there. All right, thank you very much. Then we got Godzilla hands country that's divided surely will not stand past erased, no more disgrace, no foolish naive stand. And is near, it's crystal clear. I'm starting to think this is like a song part of the master plan.
02:16:58 Don't look now, Israel may be your homeland. I don't know. What are you quoting something, or just smoking a lot of pot right now and trying to freestyle? But whatever it is, Godzilla hands appreciate that. That we got Tomahawk says, I was raised Catholic, left the faith as a team. My best friend was raised Mormon, and left his faith as a teen. We had a what we had wonderful conversations about religion.
02:17:28 Yeah, I would say, because I, I, in high school, all of my friends were either, I'd say a minority of them, I'd say were bad Mormons, like me, pot-smoking, beer-drinking Mormons. or they were pot smoking, beer drinking Catholics, and that was pretty much it. And there was like, there was a couple Protestants in the mix, but mostly not, like, because in Albuquerque it was like a lot of Mexicans, and there's a lot of Catholics there, so the
Rebecca Hargraves
02:18:00 girls from the Catholic schools in my, in my town were just whores, crazy whores.
Devon Stack
02:18:07 Wow, yeah, yeah. There's a song about that.
Rebecca Hargraves
02:18:10 What? Oh, is it a Billy Joel song?
Devon Stack
02:18:12 No, it's a Red Hot Chili Pepper song.
Rebecca Hargraves
02:18:15 Only The Good Die Young is also about deflowering a Catholic virgin. Gotta hate Billy Joel, that
Devon Stack
02:18:23 fucking hideous,
Rebecca Hargraves
02:18:24 hideous kayak. Yeah,
Devon Stack
02:18:26 yeah, yeah.
Rebecca Hargraves
02:18:28 I'm just saying it. It's just happening.
Devon Stack
02:18:30 Oh, it's just, you know, might as well. Once it went,
Rebecca Hargraves
02:18:33 you know, it feels good
Devon Stack
02:18:35 once you say it once every time. It's just like centuries of oppression are just stories,
Rebecca Hargraves
02:18:42 kind of a feel-good story. Have you been following this Looks Max, or that drowned?
Devon Stack
02:18:47 I had never heard of it before, but I did see it, and I was
Rebecca Hargraves
02:18:54 pushing so hard I could barely breathe.
Devon Stack
02:18:56 Well, someone posted, and it wasn't.. it ended up like not being what they said it was, but it was, it was a video of him. He took a video of himself fucked up on drugs, and someone had said, "Oh, this is what this is, the last video he posted before he like drowned himself or whatever, but it wasn't.
02:19:11 But he was on drugs, and so there's a video of him where he's just like completely, I mean, more fucked up than what I want to say than I've ever been, but certainly that I've ever been on video, and it's just like, holy shit, this guy's out of his mind. No wonder he, you know, what wasn't he like in some kind of East Asian? He was like, where was he? Yeah, he did
Rebecca Hargraves
02:19:31 ayahuasca, and I don't know, whatever the fuck country, and then lost his mind, and got like really into psychedelics, and it all started with the looks maxing thing, I mean, like the ultimate, the ultimate way to harness your masculinity is to like just be a strong guy without being a faggot,
Devon Stack
02:19:50 right?
Rebecca Hargraves
02:19:51 That's what women want. Have you seen Evie posted about this, but there's like this picture of the shredded guy, and then like this strong, bulky guy who's a little soft, like maybe. Think that women lie about liking the guy on the left. I'm like, no, this.. I look at the guy on the right, that's totally chiseled. I'm like, that guy sucks dick for sure. I cannot be the only one that's not lying about this.
Devon Stack
02:20:14 Well, it's not only that, it's just the like, you know, that that body comes with a, a definite time commitment to maintain, right, and a level of obsession, self-obsession, because
Rebecca Hargraves
02:20:30 self-obsession. Yes,
Devon Stack
02:20:32 in order to maintain, like, you have to prioritize your looks to a degree that makes you a weirdo, you know, to be a guy like that, like you have to be like that has to be like your thing now. That will work if you're if you're with a girl who's also like that, and like, look, I don't say the golden one is like a weirdo, but like he's obviously like really into working out, and he's got a wife that's really into working out.
02:20:56 Yeah, so that works right. So if like if you're also really into working out, then that's fine, but like most people, like that's, you know, they're not that into working out, and so there's, there are, you know, there are ways that you could, like, that guy could find someone that's that's gonna be into it, right? But the average girl, I don't think, even if they say they want it, it's like that with girls too, by the way, like guys that are like, oh, I want this girl that looks, she's like a fucking perfect 10, and then you actually go out with a girl that's like that, and you're like, this sucks,
Rebecca Hargraves
02:21:28 yeah.
Devon Stack
02:21:30 So it comes with a cost, is what I'm saying. Let's see here, then we got Godzilla, Godzilla hands again says, Where are the legs with which you run? Who roo huroo? Where are the legs with which you run? When first you went to carry a gun, indeed your dancing days are done. Johnny, I hardly knew ya. I have,
Rebecca Hargraves
02:22:01 should I know this? I know there's gonna be people in the chat that are like, you don't know what he's talking about, stupid bitch.
Devon Stack
02:22:07 I have no idea. I don't know what this is. Book track groove says Matthew 24/7 through eight, for nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are but the beginning of the birth pains. All
Rebecca Hargraves
02:22:30 right, thanks. Both trackers,
Devon Stack
02:22:32 there we go. Then we got Godzilla hands again, says the Templars took an oath of poverty, which is why their original image is two men and one horse. If the Templars could rough things up in poverty, what can we do? New religion is needed separate.
Rebecca Hargraves
02:22:55 Am I retarded? Did something happen to my brain processing center, where I like can't get red text into my brain in a cohesive way, or do these make no sense?
Devon Stack
02:23:04 Well, no. Godzilla hands sounds like he's on drugs.
02:23:11 Sorry, Godzilla hands, like I feel like you're, you're, you're either under the influence of something, or just you're on it, you're on a different vibe than I am right now, because I'm also not, not 100% picking up what you're not this last, I'm not like totally, I kind of get it, I mean, you're saying that the Templars took a vow of poverty and they were able to to kick ass, and so we could do it with modern technology, I'm guessing, but some of these other ones are a little out there like that little one before that book track groove says Stone Choir would have a word on your thought on Stone Choir would have a word on your thought on software logic.
02:23:54 Okay, that doesn't make sense to me. Blonde, how much of the Bible have you read, Devon? All people,
Rebecca Hargraves
02:24:00 oh, sorry, go ahead,
Devon Stack
02:24:02 Devon. All people needs to believe in the supernatural. Are you? Go first.
Rebecca Hargraves
02:24:08 I've read a lot of the Bible, not in its entirety. Some of the Old Testament is really boring and hard to read, really hard to read, but I've read a lot of the Bible.
Devon Stack
02:24:19 I will say this, I would like to believe in the supernatural, but I do not believe in the supernatural, and I don't feel a need to believe in the supernatural. I believe in the supernatural in the same way that I fancifully, like I indulge around Christmas time, I like to believe that there's a Santa. I know there's not, but I like, I like, I like believing that there is, and I don't like, like, I don't cynically.
02:24:54 When I was a kid, I wasn't the one that was like, "Santa is not real, like, you know, I like the idea of like. I don't know, a Bigfoot or a tooth fairy, or, or you know, like I like when I was a kid, I like fantasy novels to some extent, you know, you know, like Lord of the Rings and stuff like that, but I'm also like I said, I just can't get around my autism engineer brain, I need to have evidence for the things that I actually believe in, and I don't have, like, a burning desire for anything more than that. Like, I don't have..
02:25:27 I'm perfectly happy with the.. if there's no supernatural, you know? Like, I'm perfectly okay if I'm just like a really smart monkey that dies, and that's it. Like, I'm okay with that. Like, nothing. I don't.. I'm not, like, annoyed by that at all, I, in fact, I feel kind of lucky that I got to exist, because under those circumstances, being in a situation where I can exist and not exist, is like, you know, what if I was really unlucky, I ended up being born a nigger, I mean, that would be a travesty, you know, so I feel like I kind of really lucked out, like, in terms of the existence that I get to experience, and I don't really..
Rebecca Hargraves
02:26:05 being white is awesome. It is elite. Let me tell you,
Devon Stack
02:26:09 yeah. So, I'm not really kind of.. I'm not really bothered by it at all, and I don't feel like, oh, there needs to be something more than this. It'd be nice, I guess. I mean, or maybe it wouldn't be, you know, because who knows, maybe, maybe like you know, maybe it would give I don't know, I don't know, like I don't feel a need for it, though. I would say that, that for some people that's true.
02:26:33 There are some people that that fear death, or for some other reason, really need that to be true to get through, my mom's one of them, like my mom.
02:26:43 Here's an example: my mom lost her mother to breast cancer when I was like eight, and she was probably like 30 or something like that, and it fucked her up, and if she did not believe 100% 110% that she was going to see her again and be reunited with her again with the rest of her family in heaven when she died, I don't know that she would have been able to like manage it, and so I see that as a good thing that she, you know, it helped her, helped her manage that, and helped, helped her, helped her, you know, get through life, and I think there's a lot of people that find that comforting, and I'm just not one of them, I just don't care that much, you know, if I die, like, there's nothing, I won't know, you know, I'm not, I won't, I won't be, I won't even be disappointed.
02:27:49 So, see, best worst case scenario, I won't know, and best case scenario is, I will know, and even if it's hell, it'll be more interesting than not existing, right? So, I'll be like, all right, it looks different, so I'm not that worried, I'm not that bothered by it. Let's see here, that's we got TMK 1335 says we definitely need some kind of religious reboot.
02:28:18 Who's the guy in chat who keeps suggesting that new racist space conqueror religion tell him I'm in there's there's a guy who keeps wanting to start a space colonization religion, or I'm I'm being reductive, but that's I feel like that's kind of what he's getting at, and I like the idea, kind of, but it's also kind of like, alright, I don't know if we're, yeah, I don't know if that's gonna got mass appeals to me. If
Rebecca Hargraves
02:28:48 I could make white nationalist Star Trek happen,
Devon Stack
02:28:51 well, that's kind of that's his, that's what he wants to do, is like he wants to basically make the aspiration of white people to to part of our identity to be that we we continuously spread out and colonize the universe, and so it is kind of like this never-ending quest, which you kind of need in a religion, right?
02:29:14 It needs to be like this, this thing that you never really will accomplish, and so for generations it'll just keep going, because they're never going to achieve it's not like you know, and then then we win, like that never happens, so it has that that infinite carrot, that carrot that's like always just out of reach, but you can all always make steps towards there's a lot of positive things about about it, right, so because I thought about, like, it's not the worst idea, but I don't know if you can get like most people to be like we're going to be space races, you know, and maybe, maybe, who knows.
02:29:53 This guy, well, this guy is signing up. All right, Denise, the Celt says FYI, Natalie Lloyd and her husband Davey Lloyd. Did were the missionaries murdered by the Haitian ferals? Her dad was a Jew op Senator Ben Baker. They were incredibly sweet, idealistic, and racially suicidal.
02:30:14 Yeah, that's the problem, is a lot of these people, they are some of the kindest people, but I almost feel like that's what's so horrible about this software, is it makes it makes the best of, because I think some people would argue that, oh well, it's the religion that made them these really sweet, nice people, and I would say there's no real evidence that that's what's going on, but there is evidence that these sweet, nice people are now dead because of it, and so, who's to say that they wouldn't have been just like really sweet, nice people that would have been more racially oriented had they had a religion that was more racially oriented, but yeah, that's that's often the case, these, you know, some of the worst things, the best intentions.
02:30:58 Lionheart 75 says, I went to buy a Fram oil filter the other day, and they were out of stock in two different stores. Turns out they went out of business because their parent company, ran by two Indian brothers, were embezzling literally billions of dollars from Fram. This has been a staple in the industry since the 1930s The American factories in small towns, which are now shuttered because of these Indians, might make for a good outlaw stream. Also worth noting, distributism, distributism, rather employee ownership of the business would have likely prevented this, and the problems you saw at Gateway, yeah. I didn't know that about Fram.
02:31:47 I know what you're talking about, though, because my dad was a mechanic when I was a kid, and when he was younger, that's how he put himself through school and everything. So that's kind of crazy, because that was that was like the, that was like the brand, you know, it's also as far as, like, you know, employee ownership of companies, that I mean, that is, like, that's a good arrangement to have, but I don't know if that should be something that should be compulsory.
Rebecca Hargraves
02:32:16 Yeah,
Devon Stack
02:32:17 that starts to look a little too close to communism. Then we got Denise the Celt says, 'I pray to my Celtic gods and I do believe in them. And they answer, 'I'm sorry you have no faith, Devon.
02:32:34 Well, look, if you believe in him, hey, like I said, there's always going to be someone, right? But I would like I said, I don't think that there's a well, this is traditional, like I don't know, like outside of America, maybe there is like some long tradition of people that still believe in some paganism more in Europe, but at least in terms of America, because the founding stock was obviously not pagan, right? That's not like something that that traces back, so it's usually either someone that brought it here from Europe or it's someone larping as someone who brought it here from Europe.
Rebecca Hargraves
02:33:11 Yeah,
Devon Stack
02:33:12 yeah, so it's, you know, but hey, look, if it works for you, whatever, you know. All right, then we got Lion Heart says might make, make for a good outlaw stream. Also worth noting, distribute, or wait, we already did that one book track. Groove says Devon, if I take the arrow for you, can I be your leader? Do you need more tech and stakes cheer up blonde, look for clues and buy logic puzzle books,
Rebecca Hargraves
02:33:47 logic puzzle books. Okay,
Devon Stack
02:33:50 I have no idea what the arrow and steak thing. I don't know what your so many nonsense super chats tonight makes me feel like I'm high. It's like, am I just reading this wrong?
Rebecca Hargraves
02:34:05 Residual highness from the 10 years that I smoked copious amounts of marijuana
Devon Stack
02:34:09 with only 10 years. Then we got Godzilla hands says, if Protestants could separate from Catholics, why not separate again? All religions have been compromised at this point. Time to pick a new path, similar but different. No more empty promises. Yeah, I mean, well, here's the thing, though.
02:34:31 Protestants separated, you know? I don't know the whole history. I mean, I know the basic, you know, Martin Luther, all that stuff, but I don't know what political forces were at play, and all that. I don't know the whole history in detail enough to know it was. I will tell you this, I guarantee it was more than just like one guy was like, 'Let's stop being Catholic, and then there was Protestants, you know, like there was more to it than that, uh. Could there be like another reformation of sorts? I don't know, maybe,
Rebecca Hargraves
02:35:06 maybe.
Devon Stack
02:35:07 Yo, Jimbo Rockford says, have either of you used Gab AI? If not, why not? I figure if Torba isn't Jewish, it might be more based.
Rebecca Hargraves
02:35:17 I haven't, maybe I should. I honestly, I forgot about Gab. I just forgot about
Devon Stack
02:35:26 it. I've used it. I haven't used it in a long time, and I'll tell you why. It was because I was getting inferior results, and I was so.. I started using other AIs.
02:35:38 Now, that said, the technology has changed a lot since then, and maybe I will revisit it, because I would rather use his AI if it's going to be able, if it's capable of doing, because I use AI for a lot of stuff, like a lot of different stuff, and I use a lot of different AIs, I don't just use one, I use Grok, I use Chat GPT, I use Claude, I use Gemini, and I use them against each other sometimes when, like, you're having trouble getting the straight answer, so you'll ask the exact same prompt of like four different AIs, and then compare notes and see what's going on, and like I said, I used to, I did, you, I gave Gab a try, even like paid for it for a little bit, but I just wasn't getting the results that I, that I needed, but maybe that was like over a year ago, so maybe it's different now. Well, I'm sure it's different now, but I'll take a look at it.
02:36:40 Tom O'Hawk says, I feel like white nationalists need to find a way to identify each other out in the wild without normies having a clue. I have no idea how to do it, though. I don't think we need, like, a secret handshake or or anything like that. I don't know how you can implement it. Well, I mean, if you could do it, but I don't know, how would you implement that? How would you tell all the other white people secretly without the normies finding out that you had some secret thing that you were doing? You know what I mean, like, how would you do
Rebecca Hargraves
02:37:14 it? I know we could make something up. It
Devon Stack
02:37:16 should be really ridiculous, though. Whatever it is, like, like loudly smack yourself in the left ear while going, hey, what's going on? What the fuck is wrong with that guy? He just hates niggers, that's all. So that could be our, that could be our secret, our secret handshake, all right.
02:37:44 We got Paulo Eagleton. Christianity is a religion entirely based on Jewish myth. As a race, we must transcend it, even though it's been such a big part of our identity and history. Yeah, look, I know what you're saying, and I, it just, that's, that's, that's a, that's a tough one for people to, I mean, because you're basically asking, you're asking people to throw their, their, the faith that they were raised on out, and that's a big ask.
02:38:23 It's an insert, like it's hard enough to just get the average person to accept things like Israel has undue influence in America, you know, to also tell them, oh, and Jesus is made up, they'll be like, what, like, like, you gotta, yeah, it's baby steps here. I mean, I'm not
Rebecca Hargraves
02:38:43 laughing at this chat. I'm still thinking about your
Devon Stack
02:38:50 what's up, what's up, Nick. Can you imagine?
Rebecca Hargraves
02:38:54 Why can't we do this?
Devon Stack
02:38:55 We should do it. Then we got Kira Kirsten says Adam Green is right. Thanks for the stream. There we go. Then we got scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll. The great Wahita says somewhat of a random question, any idea what was up with the Mad Russian Rasputin rogue member of the tribe? Question mark. Thanks, Outlaws.
Rebecca Hargraves
02:39:31 I don't know enough about it to opine. What about you?
Devon Stack
02:39:34 I don't either, but I, I looked into that a very long time ago, and I don't think I got a satisfactory answer. Yeah, it would make sense in a lot of ways, but I don't know that I don't know that it's known. I don't know that there's a whole lot even really known about the guy. He is kind of just a mysterious. Figure, but I don't know for sure. Maybe let me look. I'll do a quick ask of the.. we're talking about AI. I'll ask AI if Rasputin was Jewish. I'm sure it'll say no, even if he was.
Rebecca Hargraves
02:40:16 It always tells me I
Devon Stack
02:40:23 Let's see here. Gregory Rasputin, ethnicity, religion, and ancestry. Grok is on it right now. He's looking.
Rebecca Hargraves
02:40:38 Give me my shoe back. This dog,
Devon Stack
02:40:42 all right. According to Grok, he was a Russian peasant born in 1869 in the remote Siberian village of Pokrovskoy, in what is now the Tumen Oblast, to Orthodox Christian parents. So he was an orthodox Christian, according to, according to Grok. All right, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scrolls, which, again, that's that's just Grox, and who knows, but I'll, I'll look in.
02:41:19 I remember Alexander at one point, Rocco d2 says dog days of summer haven't hit. Here's some money, and keep that kitty churro hydrated. He's been gone for about 24 hours, which is weird. It's so hot outside, but I know he has other places he goes. It's just he stuck banging
Rebecca Hargraves
02:41:37 all the neighborhood cats,
Devon Stack
02:41:38 right? And he's he stuck around pretty consistently for like the last week and a half, so he was due to go out for a romp, so he's he's probably out slumming it with like the, you know, like the shitty desert cats that are out there making babies, but hopefully he comes back tonight. He usually comes back either when it starts to get really hot, or right around midnight, right as I'm trying to get some sleep.
02:42:09 Let's see here. Then we got Ski Popolis with a big dono, generous dono from Ski Popolis, and Ski Popolis says, I spent one hour trying to drop a hyper chat through Odyssey. I failed. You two need to split as a Catholic. Not only am I German, Italian, and Irish, I have a Rottweiler pit bull mix. Sleep well. Yeah, there's just so much abomination, biological abomination in that, in that super chat.
02:42:44 If you had you not been so generous, I would be, I'd be very more disappointed in you. But clearly you're being, you're successful enough to put your money where your mouth is. No, yeah. Look, German, not, not a problem at all, Italian. Why are we talking Southern Italian, or.. and Irish? Irish, I don't have as big. We cared mostly with the Irish. I don't have much of a problem with the Irish. I feel like most of the, the genetic trash Irish have never made it through the meat grinder of the of America, like
02:43:24 I feel like, like there was the, you know, like the ones that are in, like the the nativist cartoons, like the monkey ones, like the, let me, let me bring it up here, I love these monkey ones, like, like I feel, I feel like these Irish, they didn't survive, you know, like they came to America, and they got murdered, and you know, they, they turned into prostitutes, and like, got left for dead in alleys after being raped to death, and stuff.
02:43:52 Like, I feel like that genetic refuse was, like, taken care of by the, you know, the harsh conditions of 19th century America, you know, and we've kind of whittled it down to like some of the more high performing, you know, less monkey style Irish, so, so if that's, if that's the Irish you got, then that's, you know, if you're like more like, you know, Conan O'Brien Irish, where it's like, yeah, it's a little iffy, you know, kind of faggy Irish, but you know, the monkey Irish has mostly been taken care of.
02:44:26 I think I haven't seen, like, a monkey Irish in a long time. They, I have seen them. They do exist. Like, have you seen that? Like, the monk, yeah, the Irish that looks literally like this. This cartoon, they do exist. We
Rebecca Hargraves
02:44:39 got some white monkey looking folks,
Devon Stack
02:44:42 yeah. Like, if you've ever been to Boston, you're gonna, you're gonna run into at least one monkey Irish. There's that's where they seem to congregate, is that's like where they're, that's like where they, I think that's like the where they produce those, the monkey Irish. That's like, that's like the, the low class, like every once in a while, like a Bill Burr comes out of that mess, you know, and they're funny, so we like let it fly.
02:45:09 You're kind of a genetic mess, and you're gonna end up marrying a nigger, but you're kind of funny for like a little bit. So, so we'll let you out. So, all right, then we got, uh, but yeah. Thank you very much. Thank you very much, Scapopolis. But yeah, the Pitbull mix.. I don't know, the mix.. I don't know, I don't have a problem with our.. do Rottweilers have a bad reputation? I know they're, they're scary, aggressive,
Rebecca Hargraves
02:45:34 but
Devon Stack
02:45:35 are they? Because I thought they just looked scary. I didn't know they were actually scary, but maybe they are all right. Then we got a drove work. Drove work says neo-Nazis, new and improved, now with extra waffen. What, like a neo-Neo Nazi? What would that be? We have to think of a fancy term for a neo-Neo Nazi. All right, then we got Evergreen Dream says I joined late, and I've, I've been wondering why Daniel Day Lewis has been on the screen for the past hour. Guess I'll find out tomorrow. Also, surprising to learn, Blonde is five six. She's basically Dr. Ruth. That's not that short for a girl
Rebecca Hargraves
02:46:21 that's two inches taller than average.
Devon Stack
02:46:23 Yeah, that's like normal girl, like short is like five foot two or something like that.
Rebecca Hargraves
02:46:28 But yeah, and
Devon Stack
02:46:28 Dr. Ruth was like four foot eight, like she was something crazy short. Drove work says 666 the number of the beast one 806 66 the toll-free number of the Beast. What I don't know, what is this? The super chats are just, they're all out of left field,
Rebecca Hargraves
02:46:51 everyone's wasted. I
Devon Stack
02:46:52 feel like everyone just like tight, like saying random, random shit. They seem like, like early AI, like chat bot responses, like the first versions of AI that would just be like this might be on topic 6661 800 the beast or something. All right, then we got Beach Boy says rewatch the DC Snipers episode the other day.
02:47:17 Shame all those innocent people were Jamaico. That's true. All these people got Jamaicoed, all right. Then we got a huge, huge dono from XX Herp Derp XX. Massive dono says catching the replay. Rumble doesn't like cock Lee emails, what's Cock Lee emails, Cock space li space. No,
02:47:51 I don't know. No,
02:47:53 none of these make any sense, not even
Rebecca Hargraves
02:47:58 much. Thank you. We really appreciate
Devon Stack
02:48:00 it. Yeah, we do, but still, none of these make any sense. I don't know what the Cockley email means, but, but I do do appreciate the big dono, and hope you enjoy the replay. Herp Derp, that's very kind of you, very kind of you. All right, then we got Day Walker Jones says, first time catching the Outlaws live. You two make a good or a great team, rather. Secret white code phrase: this roof sure could use a hole in it. That's not bad.
Rebecca Hargraves
02:48:33 I think we make a good team too.
Devon Stack
02:48:35 We should, and we need to make some merch, for fuck's sake. We could have been selling roof hole shirts this whole time. I even made the graphic, I never fucking did the thing. We'll have roof hole shirts before next stream, I promise. How about that? And that'll be the secret white supremacy code: is you wear a roof hole, get in a roof hole shirt, and that's how people will know.
02:48:55 And every white person must buy one from us, otherwise you're not really white. All right, then we got Stormy Heart says, if I was working, I'd send a pile of money, but as a stay-at-home mom, I must. I have to ask husband for Super Chat money. He said yes, because Pale Siren and Rocket Pixie have become our summer soundtrack. All right, all right. Well, I appreciate that.
02:49:23 Yeah, like I need to make some more. That it takes time. It takes time for me to.. I don't just churn those out. Like, usually by the time one of those songs is done, it's.. it's like, literally no exaggeration. It's.. it's like Generation 500 by the time it's like perfect enough, because I'm a psycho, like I will sit there and I'll be like, she said that one word slightly wrong. Oh, she did this.
Rebecca Hargraves
02:49:48 You're autistic, Devon. You're an undiagnosed bird.
Devon Stack
02:49:51 No, it's.. it's bad. Like, I will sit there and it'll be.. I will.. from there's been times where like it's 10 o'clock at night and I'll be like, oh, good, I've. Little bit of time to maybe work on a song, and then, like, the sun's coming up, and I've been listening to the same 30 seconds of one
Rebecca Hargraves
02:50:08 song
Devon Stack
02:50:09 from that whole time, and I'll, I'll think about it, I'll be like, I've listened to the same 30 seconds, like, literally, like, 1000 times, and that's just how, but anyway, I'm glad that it pays off. I'm glad that people actually like it. They are upgrading the AI to it. They're adding some features, like some of the things I want them to add, is like the ability to.. I'm not going to release it.
02:50:33 They let you clone your own voice, like if.. because at first I was like, oh, I'll.. I'll sing into the thing, and it'll, I'm sure it'll make me a better singer, because it's ah, it'll figure out that, like, I can't sing, and it'll just make me able to sing, but it'll sound like my voice, and then I can make songs with my voice, right? No, it does not fix your voice, like, if you can't sing for real, like, you can't sing with Nicole in your voice, and so it just makes, like, these horrific, horrible, and I, and they made me sound black, too. So, it's like,
Rebecca Hargraves
02:51:04 oh no, your worst nightmare.
Devon Stack
02:51:06 It's like black off key Devon trying to sing, like it's.. it's horrible, but like, they're.. I think they're getting better with the technology, and so I'm hoping I'll be able to do more stuff with that later. All right. Then we got, for those who don't know, you can go to look, just go on YouTube or on Spotify. Actually, Spotify is better for me, and look up Pale Siren or Rocket Pixie. All right, we got Stormy Heart says if I was working.
02:51:36 All right, we just did that one. Night Train says, Oy Vey, well, I appreciate that. Night train, and then we got Team White. Says just came across your live show, good topic. I'll watch the whole thing later on. Thanks to you both. Well, I appreciate that, Team White. See, that's what I'm talking about, putting race first. That is my number one priority. White continuity, white continuity.
Rebecca Hargraves
02:52:07 Yep, all
Devon Stack
02:52:09 right. Then we got sorry, drop work, you're below the limit. So gonna have to..
Rebecca Hargraves
02:52:16 I had a bunch come on over on my end. If you want me to read those out,
Devon Stack
02:52:20 I'm still, I'm still going. Almost, we're almost done. Book track grooves. No, no, book track groove, says Devon. Here is a clear chat for you. Bunny, bunny, bunny, bunny, bunny, bunny, bunny, bunny, bunny, bunny, bunny, bunny, bunny, bunny. There we go. Right down. What are you gonna do? All right, then we got Amazing Disgrace says got here late, but can't wait to go back and hear what I missed.
02:52:48 I love the Whitman's movie and hope for more history based on source material. Yeah, we should do.
02:52:57 I was looking for articles, contemporary articles about this, but it was there, was there was tons of them, and the old timey language in, and the length of the articles from 1850 made it like really difficult to do something that was, they would translate well to having AI read it because it was just like it like even I like I stopped, I got I started reading these things, it's like pages long, and I just got to the point where instead of having AI transcribe it, I was just like, just summarize this for me, like what does this mean? All right, now now we can go to the YouTube ones that you've got over there.
Rebecca Hargraves
02:53:40 Okay, sure, we have been. Did y'all's ancestors only start arriving after the mid 1500s My earliest was 1607
Devon Stack
02:53:49 Mine was the original Dutch colonies in New Amsterdam. I, it would have been early 1600s I think, but it might, it's possible it's late 1500s but I don't know the exact year, you're muted, by the way.
Rebecca Hargraves
02:54:10 Sorry, my dog was freaking out. My parents had to come and let her in. Let's see, we have Stephen Campbell. I read one of these, um, yeah, but PF R feds fantastic ethno nationalist delightful Saxons. I agree. Thank you. El Franco says it is I, the live Puerto Rican from the West Side stream you did two years ago. I was wondering if you and Rebecca could do a stream on David Berg and his pseudo Christian cult. I will put that in the notes. We got like
Devon Stack
02:54:38 I did do one
Rebecca Hargraves
02:54:39 suggestions. You, oh, you did already.
Devon Stack
02:54:41 I'm almost positive
Rebecca Hargraves
02:54:43 he gets when he doesn't stream, and I don't remember, but he doesn't even remember. Well,
Devon Stack
02:54:49 that just sounds really, yeah, wait, may isn't this the guy that was like diddling kids in here
Rebecca Hargraves
02:54:56 anyway, don't. Donation from Jacob Winkelman. Thank you so much. Thank you for your work, guys. Thank you, thank you. And then my last one is from Dusty Rhodes. Devon, did you ever do a video on Schindler's List?
Devon Stack
02:55:09 I just thought it was too easy
Rebecca Hargraves
02:55:12 for that low hanging fruit.
Devon Stack
02:55:16 I mean, like, I mean, I've talked about how they purposely did it in black and white, so your brain would confuse it with historic footage, you know what I mean, like, and stuff like that, but, and look, and people have, there's been people, I've heard people mention scenes in that were scenes from Schindler's List, as if they were like History Channel footage, like, oh yeah, I remember this happening, you're like, no, that's that, that's Steven Spielberg.
02:55:42 That's not, that's not war footage, you know.
Rebecca Hargraves
02:55:47 We're good over here.
Devon Stack
02:55:48 We are good over here as well. I'm almost positive. Thank you, guys, so
Rebecca Hargraves
02:55:54 much. You were so generous tonight. I really appreciate it. I hope you enjoyed our discussion. It was not contentious, you know. Seven and I are buds. We're always trying to hammer this one out, because it - this is an ongoing struggle, the struggle of my faith, and, and reconciling my deep-seated racism. So, you know, and
Devon Stack
02:56:12 look, and I don't have animus towards Christians, and, obviously, like I said, like that, I wanted to make that clear, because I think there's a lot of people that get, you know, especially there's a lot of Christians that are very touchy and start thinking you're like, you know, some kind of like you're trying to attack my faith, and you know you're an antichrist. Sorry, if you're like that, then you're not race first.
02:56:32 Sorry, you're just.. you don't.. if you don't get what I'm saying, then you're part of the problem, honestly. If you don't have the self-awareness enough to at least appreciate what I'm saying, then you're exactly the problem I'm talking about. So it's all meant as, yeah, like I said, it's all meant as let's let's brainstorm and fix this, because ultimately what I want, and hopefully what you want, is the survival of the white race, more than any, literally anything else, more than anything else. This is what I want. That's what I want. So,
Rebecca Hargraves
02:57:06 well, thank you. I am Rebecca Hargraves. We will see you next week. If you're watching, I think we have two tickets available to my New York City event on july 18.
02:57:15 Go to my pin tweet on blondes underscore tweets for all the information. If you want to slide in there at the very end, we have two left, and I think that even that we're going to overbook, but if you want to, if you want to try it again, and I think I can make it happen.
02:57:30 You can find me on the reset with Cameron McGregor on Thursdays at 4pm Pacific Standard Time on my YouTube channel, Blonde and the Belly of the Beast.
Devon Stack
02:57:39 And you can check out the Insomnia Stream by going to, if you're on Rumble right now, staying, you know, going exactly right here on Saturday, 10 o'clock pm Pacific time.
02:57:50 You go to BlackPilled.com which redirects to the Odysee page, which I might change to redirecting to the Rumble page, as Odysee kind of is getting less and less, but I'm hanging on to, I'm hoping that maybe you know they turn things around over there, and because it's, it's where the all the OGs hang out anyway. Hope you guys have a great rest of your week. I'll see you Saturday.
Rebecca Hargraves
02:58:14 Bye.