Outlaws： Episode 19, Operation Wetback - 07/15/2026

00:04:11 You're watching Outlaws with Rebecca Hargraves and Devon Stack.
00:04:18 Hey,
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00:04:22 We're back for another exciting episode. Almost
00:04:26 didn't happen.
00:04:28 I mean, it didn't happen.
00:04:30 No, I like almost. I almost canceled the show this week.
00:04:33 Really?
00:04:34 I. Yeah. I mean, I've got this speaking gig because I've been freaking out. I'm having. I'm having nightmares every night about this event we're doing in New York.
00:04:43 Is that why I had to do all the work?
00:04:45 Yes. Hey, I did some of the. I am conversational in this, and that's like the best I could do. That's right. This week has this week has been a disaster. You're not afraid of public speaking at all.
00:04:58 You know I was. But not really. You know, part of it is when when you're a little Mormon kid, they do this thing called they have testimony meeting every. It's the first Sunday of every month. It's actually great because it in a way it kind of makes your kids like it's almost like Toastmasters because what it is is the first Sunday of every month that you anyone who wants it's almost like open mic church, like anyone that wants to can just I mean not just like the whole time but like sometimes this it goes on for hours because of how many people don't want to do this, you can just go up and like the it's like it's literally open mic and you just bear your testimony about why you know you know Jesus is awesome or whatever, and because of this, kids feel kind of like pressured because if one little precocious little boy or something goes up there and he's like, I love God and it's awesome, like every adult in the room is is like you know beside themselves with how cute it is.
00:06:04 So you feel as a kid, you're like, oh, I want to be the kid that all the adults like and think is cool. And it's kind of funny because it almost becomes. I don't think like no one ever wrote this down. Every Mormon in the audience will know exactly what I'm talking about. By the way, every kid has like the same. It's almost like because you've heard it by every other kid, and it's not written anywhere. And I don't know how it spread, but you always say, I'd like to bear my testimony. I know this church is true. I know my parents love me. And then like maybe you throw in like a couple things about God helps you win Mario Brothers last week or something, and then you go and you know you you start blushing and run back and sit down next to your parents, but like I yeah I was doing that from like age like five. It makes me love
00:06:51 Mormons because you're creating a positive association, right? Public speaking. I I would rather be in a bathtub filled with spiders, like no joke. I I actually would. I I'm petrified. I've been waking up two night nights in a row. I had a I had a nightmare that Cameron was just yelling at me, just screaming. Like that's
00:07:13 that's the whole nightmare.
00:07:14 Yeah, he's just yelling at me about how I suck and how I did everything wrong, and then I get up to. Are you sure that's
00:07:20 that? Maybe that was just a premonition.
00:07:22 Oh no!
00:07:26 That that was just your female premonition about what what it's going to be like after after the event. Immediately after the short
00:07:33 of it is that I've just been I've just been preparing for this event, and my husband's been gone, and so I'm on full time parenting duty, and I'm just, I'm just overwhelmed. So I'm well versed in the topic, but did I contribute much to the outline? No.
00:07:48 Well, have you have you sold all all of your? Are there any tickets left? Can anyone still go? Or
00:07:54 I don't know. We might be able to squeeze a few people in there. But if you want to try to come, it's Saturday in Manhattan, and you can email constantine@multipolarpress.com and see if there are any tickets available. But I think that we I think we are pretty much sold out.
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00:10:00 and now we get to talk about the most black killing, you know, because because Operation Wetback, it was like, it was a good start, you know.
00:10:08 Well,
00:10:09 it was a strong, it had a strong beginning. It logistically was sound, and it was still a failure. But we'll talk about.
00:10:16 But it also kind of points out why it it the floodgates will just never be shut. Now it's a lot of people. Let's go to our other screen here. Tata, look at that. There was no wipe, no wipe to cut off our mics. A lot of people first heard about this when Donald Trump mentioned it. I don't. I don't think he mentioned it by name in one of the debates, this is back when everyone was like, Oh, Trump's gonna build the fucking well 10 feet taller now. Oh yeah, oh yeah, you're gonna be deported, bitch! Like, like everyone believed it, and CNN was all in a tizzy, like, Oh my god, oh my god! It's Hitler 2.0. So this is this is him bringing it up.
00:11:07 CNN reality check on an immigration claim made last night in the debate. Donald Trump noted that
00:11:12 one. Remember the the reality that anything Trump said, CNN be like CNN reality check. Let's analyze what Trump said. Would the would the wall really get 10 feet taller?
00:11:24 Great President Dwight Eisenhower deported illegal immigrants, just as Trump would if he is elected.
00:11:32 Moved a million and a half illegal immigrants out of this country. Moved them just beyond the border. They came back, moved them again beyond the border. They came back, didn't like it. Moved them way south. They never came back.
00:11:48 Eisenhower's policy was named Operation Wetback. It was implemented in 1954. It deported undocumented immigrants deep into Mexico. Now many of them were brought to the United States through wartime programs, and their temporary contracts were not renewed. Now, the exact number of people deported is unclear, but one detail Trump left out: the transfer process was widely criticized as inhumane at the time, and later some people were dropped off without resources in the desert. Oh God! From heatstroke. Ah, shucks. Drowned during transport in overloaded ships.
00:12:24 Oh no! Anyway,
00:12:26 it was like it sounds awesome. People or something. It's fine. Yeah.
00:12:28 Well, and here, here's the other thing. Trump saying they didn't come back. No, they did actually, because they're here now still.
00:12:36 Yeah.
00:12:37 So, but anyway, let's talk about kind of why you know, like the history, I guess, of the dividing line between Mexico, the shitty brown country where the bad genetics, like those that Nick Fuentes has, come from, versus north of the border, where the awesome white power genetics come from, and why that dividing line was defined, and how it has unfortunately not really ethnically divided the two peoples very effectively. So the first thing you got to understand is a lot of the states in the West were part of Mexico, at at one point, and look at
00:13:26 that yellow segment. Look at how much they seeded. It's it's just incredible that all of that used to belong to Max to Mexico, and not that recently.
00:13:34 Yeah, not yet
00:13:35 too long ago, 1848, right? Yeah,
00:13:37 yeah. That's not that long ago. Yeah, all of California, all of Nevada, all of Utah. In fact, the Mormons went to Utah because they want they were trying to leave the United States, and that right after they got there, the United States was like Yoink! and they're like, God damn it, we're in America again, and so that which is kind of funny that, but New Mexico, Arizona, all of that was was Mexico, and after after we went to war with Mexico over Texas, there was the the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo in 1848. So that was again in response to the Mexican American War that we obviously won, like the awesome white people. I mean, come on, like we were going to lose against Mexico,
00:14:32 right? Right. How how
00:14:33 embarrassing would that be? We like we beat England, but we can't beat Mexico. Mexico.
00:14:37 So if you can't tell, I think this it was $15 million, but it's California, Utah, almost all of Arizona, New Mexico, and then there's some of Colorado, Wyoming, Kansas, and Oklahoma. And you might think like, oh, we must have absorbed so many Mexicans. There was almost nobody there. It was just desolate land. Yeah.
00:14:57 Well, there was fine. Well, there. There's a lot of Hopis and Navajos and stuff like that, but yeah, as far as like actual humans, not a whole lot. And and so anyway, the after we got California, Nevada, Utah, most of Arizona, New Mexico, parts of Colorado, Wyoming, Kansas, and Oklahoma, the the existing Mexican population was basically absorbed. We're talking like there, you know, there was the Spanish missions, the El Camino Real, you know, stuff like that. But you know, very low, very low populations.
00:15:34 But then we had the Mexican Revolution that took place between 1910 and 1920. During that time, and also just generally around the turn of the century, we just had a lot of immigration. Generally, like a lot of it, obviously, was coming from Eastern Europe. Something we talk about a lot: the Jewish and you know Eastern European Jews that flood into the country around the turn of the century, and also a lot of Catholics, and we also had a lot of Mexicans come in around. You just
00:16:10 can't help yourself now, can you?
00:16:12 Well, that's just that's just that's just what happened. And
00:16:16 before we went live, he was just dumping on Catholics.
00:16:19 I wasn't well. When you when you start researching immigration, which I have a project that I'm working on where I've had to do a lot of research about how we got from, you know, where you know back in the 1700s to today, there's there's just as many Catholic hands in that cookie jar as there are Jewish hands. Let me just put it that way. And and the one and the example I gave you is Reagan, who so which we'll talk about at the end here. But all the Mexicans that came into the country for these for that century basically after the well after we we took over half the other half of of the the landmass because of Manifest Destiny, all the Mexicans that came across that were legalized by Reagan, well, he's a son of a Catholic Irish Catholic immigrants, so it's
00:17:18 getting harder and harder to defend. I'm sorry.
00:17:20 There you go. Anyway, so we have the Mexican Revolution in 1910, night to the 1920s, and so they had, of course, just like every time there's a war in a brown country, let's go to the white country, and so you had all these refugees, and the refugees started to pour into places like Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, California, a lot of them going into California, and a lot of them were were doing farm labor and that sort of a thing. But this caused a problem when we had
00:17:59 the Great Depression, yeah, of course. I mean, this is somewhat reassuring because between 1930 and 1933, nearly a million, although the the range is so wide, 300,000 to a million Mexicans, including a lot of U.S. citizens, they were repatriated or pressured to leave, but most of them were just pressured to leave, which means they realized that there were no economic opportunities and that there was going to be favoritism for white Americans. So I find that reassuring. I'm like, all right, in hard economic times, maybe the ethnos will will rise and there will be preferential treatment for whites.
00:18:38 Well, the problem with that is, though, in in modern times, is that works? That'll work for illegals, right? Because legals, illegals are basically transient anyway by nature, and so they don't really have the same roots. But after generations of this, which I mean, this has been going on now for like a century, it doesn't matter.
00:18:59 We have we have all those people, you know, that have been here for like 100, like literally some of them like 100 years now since they, you know, their ancestors came here around 1900, and all the, you know, of course, in the 1980s, all the ones that Reagan legalized, they're still, I mean, they're kind of, they're not going to leave because the economy gets. Where would they go? You know, a lot of their their grandkids don't even speak Spanish, probably right. So even if the economy goes to shit, it'll just they'll just be here. Yeah, yeah. Like they're not going to go to like they're not going to go find great aunt Lupe in Guadalajara or whatever. You know.
00:19:39 Yep. Yeah.
00:19:40 So we had the Great Depression, which did drive some of them out. But then we had the the bracero. I love this because he's just gassing them in the face. You see the photo. He says the dirt. Mexicans as they come across the border.
00:20:02 Well, they were legitimately bringing a lot of diseases.
00:20:06 Yeah, yeah. Well,
00:20:07 you know, this is fine.
00:20:10 But well, and the cool thing. So the Bracero program, unfortunately, what the what it was was during World War II. Obviously, a lot of the the white men that would be working on a farm were going and dying for Jews, and you know the South South Pacific or or somewhere in in Europe. So they needed farm workers, and just like with a lot of things that the government does, where they're like, oh, this is a temporary thing. It's just a temporary thing for this this immediate emergency that we have right now.
00:20:45 It certainly won't stay around forever. It's just this temporary measure. So they created this program called the Bracero program, and that basically allowed for Mexican workers to come into the United States and basically, you know, do like what well they what they called stoop labor, which we'll get into later. I've got a nice little video. So a lot of this, by the way, like you can you could maybe make the excuse during wartime that you had to have some kind of emergency measure in order to feed the troops who were were you know out of the country and and obviously feed the people at home as a temporary measure.
00:21:32 Okay, you could maybe say that, but what it turned into was a bunch of farmers getting used to basically paying people nothing to work on their farms and not wanting to actually pay people living wage, which is literally no different than the tech companies that are trying to bring in Indians. That's that's every single time you have Americans demographically fucking us, it's always over money. It's always over money, and and and and people don't like to for some reason. There's like this culture in America where we're supposed to act like farmers or like these, you know, down to earth, you know, salt of the earth types.
00:22:17 That's it,
00:22:18 right? And it's like they're not though. They they drive basically. I mean, I I know some of these motherfuckers. They drive like $250,000 fucking car, you know, pickup trucks, and wear you know $500 felt hats, and pay some fucking Mexican who's illegal under the table $8 an hour, and and to to do shit that they don't I mean because they don't want to impact their own standard of living and and their excuse is always well everyone else is doing it and it's and that's the same excuse by the way that that Silicon Valley will use they'll say well if we don't do it then China China will develop AI and then we'll be slaves to the Chinese AI, and so we need to bring in millions of fucking Indians. Like that's, it's the same fucking excuses every time.
00:23:09 But anyway, at this point in the history, they at least had something of an excuse. I don't think it was necessary. I mean, we had women, you know, with rivet guns apparently putting together B b1 bombers or whatever. Like, why do why why couldn't we have were there not teenagers or something that could go and like pick fucking avocados? Like, although there there must have
00:23:33 been fewer agricultural demands.
00:23:36 Right, right. With all the people overseas, so I you know, I don't know the that it was a necessary thing, but at least you could make the argument that well, we need to do it now. This became like like I said because everyone got so used to it After the war was, or after the war was over, you still had the program continuing. Headlight's
00:24:10 hilarious.
00:24:11 Oh yeah, wetback stampede. So this is obviously after World War II. A lot of farmers were just hiring illegals, though, because when they when when they tried to dial back the program, they they wanted to keep working, and so the farmers were just like, Yeah, who cares? Fuck my people. I'd rather just pay you nothing than pay some white guy enough money to where he'd want to work here.
00:24:39 So sure, and so a lot of these Mexicans. This is when you had a lot of the organized crime kick in, or they started doing the human smuggling, and it got so bad that eventually the attorney general, who was Herbert. Brunell describe it as the wetback problem, and so the wetback problem is discussed. And it's funny because well, it's not funny so much as blackpiling. This is I'm gonna have this article read. This article sounds exactly like the same immigration woes that we have, or really the discussions.
00:25:27 I think we're past this now, but like this is the kind of discussions that you would hear in 2016 when everyone was still trying to talk about it in in less existential threat terms, you know. But even if you listen to these numbers, think about the the difference in population in 1953. But right here, you know, just even the headline, the the number of illegals, which is that was their word. Wetback means illegal Mexican. If you have put that together, the number of wetbacks had doubled in one year. So here's the article talking about the attorney general getting upset by this problem and and discussing putting together some kind of program that would take care of it. The
00:26:12 stampede of illegal Mexican labor into California by foot, plane, and even casket has doubled last year's total. U.S. immigration officials report a total of 406,507 wetbacks were returned to Mexico from the Los Angeles district for the fiscal year of 1953, according to Assistant Director Albert Del Gurcio. This is more than twice the number, or 206,49 sent home in 1952, the wetback roundup has jumped in proportion in the San Francisco district too. Bruce Barber, immigration director here, says that 26,808 wetbacks were located and returned to Mexico during the first six months of 1953. If the ratio keeps up, and it has for August, September, and October.
00:27:04 It will double last year's. The problem developed in 1945 with the first influx of stoop laborers who legally contracted to come into the United States to fill a vital need for farm work. Since then, getting in the country has become a racket for many Mexicans who are interested in other work than agriculture. What's the status along the California-Mexican border? The barricades down there are about as effective as the Maginot Line, Barber says. Few actually deported. We have no comment, Del Gercio says.
00:27:37 The problem of tightening up boundary defenses has been under consideration for years. It is getting the most serious thought at the moment from Attorney General Herbert Brownell. Few wetbacks actually are deported. Such action only follows a court order for removal of an undesirable alien. Of the 406,507 rounded up in the Los Angeles district, less than 10,000 were deported. The remainder signed a voluntary departure card, and many voluntarily returned to the states in less than three weeks. Delgerio says that nine immigration service officers have been killed in the past decade, and numerous others injured.
00:28:20 He recalls that one illegal alien was killed in the Los Angeles district while fighting arrest. Barber cites the transporter or smuggler as the toughest factor in the wetback's headache. Under federal law, it is a felony to transport aliens illegally in the United States. The sentence is 15 years, and the fine, $2,000 per alien transported, but in a queer twist to this law, farmers who employ wetbacks are not guilty of harboring aliens. Aliens cost $7 a piece. The United States arrests an average of 15 to 20 transporters per month, Barber says, and one week alone, seven were picked up. Barber says it costs the United States taxpayers about $7 per head to transfer a wetback home, while Del Gersio says it is impossible to estimate the number of wetbacks located in his district or any other.
00:29:16 A spokesman for the state attorney general's office figures the annual influx into the states as a whole is about 3 million. According to this source, about a million illegal entrants are shipped out of the nation per year, while the border patrol estimates it is locating only about one out of three who come over. The amount of women wetbacks is less than 1% Del Gersio says. Like Del Garcia,
00:29:41 would that be a Web Becca?
00:29:45 Dio Barber is not making any suggestions for tightening border defenses. All are looking to Brownell's office in Washington.
00:29:53 So it's this, you know, it's the same fucking problem. There's some
00:29:57 positive stuff in here. He says that most of those people. Self-deported within three weeks. Like if you no, no, no. He said he
00:30:03 said they came back in three weeks. He that he was making a joke. He he said they signed the card to leave voluntarily, and then they voluntarily came back three weeks later.
00:30:14 Oh, that's
00:30:15 what he said. Never mind. That's
00:30:18 great. That's they they can do it themselves. No, no, no.
00:30:21 He said they all came back. They said that they're they're they're not they're they're the the border fence or their or not fence. There is no fence, but the border control is basically non-existent. That they are only capturing maybe one out of three. They're come. They're they're they are impossible to make them leave because you you can have to get a court order for them if they're a a troublesome alien or whatever from a judge which they're not getting because it costs too much. The $7 doesn't sound like a lot now, but back in 1952, that was probably like $100, and so you know it adds up when you've got 3 million of them, and so this was a big.
00:31:07 Wait, did he also say there were nearly half a million just in Los Angeles?
00:31:11 No, I think he was saying in California, in or in their district, in his district there was like 3 million.
00:31:18 Oh my God!
00:31:20 Now, now think of this. This this makes sense because even after all this, and even after they sort of tighten it up, when Reagan did do his amnesty, they basically made like it was close to 3 million became legal, and that's just who we know about because a lot of them. There was a lot of obviously trying to do that kind of paperwork with government workers, and there's a lot of fraud and everything else that went on there.
00:31:44 So there was a lot of people that kind of went through the the cracks on that. But so this is this was like a it was a big problem. I found this article. It's they're talking about like how they nabbed the the wetbacks, and it's just kind of funny because honestly, the the biggest reason I got it was like, look look at this guy's face. Let me see. He looks. This is the sheriff. He's like, yep, I got them Webex. He looks
00:32:13 like Clint Eastwood. Good for that guy.
00:32:16 Yeah, so he's all excited. He looks
00:32:17 so happy.
00:32:18 Yeah, but they're talking about how you know the article? This article discusses how that they're trying to deal with the problem. They're always having to get them. This guy's all stoked because I think he got like 12 of them all at once.
00:32:32 Nice.
00:32:32 And then you had this right where you've got the same sort of a thing. This is let's see here. Carter, chief of the border patrol, said Thursday more than a million wetbacks were caught last year. So again, if that's how many they're catching, how many they're not catching? You know, it's that kind of a thing. I
00:32:59 mean, with technology improvements, we still have no idea how many are in this country. Imagine how easy it was back then. Yeah, the 19 under the radar. Yeah,
00:33:07 right. So we're caught after sneaking across the border, U.S. border from with Mexico. The wetbacks, so named because they often swim or wade the Rio Grande, came to take farm and industry jobs. Usually, they return to Mexico, but many remain in the country. Asked about the reports that one or two get away every for every wetback cut, Carter replied, Did you ever go quail hunting and try to guess how many you'd missed? Yeah, but I mean, it's but he's right. It's like that's that's the problem, is you've for every one he gets, there are probably about two or three that he's missing. So if he got like a million of them, that's you know.
00:33:50 So then he talks about how the the total arrest and just think of just the just the the cost of the national focus that you're having to put on arresting a million fucking people like that's not inconsequential. The amount of resources they have to go into that the the think of the law enforcement for the to police the ones that are in the country because a lot of this catch and release stuff's not new. This has been going on a long time because again, unless a judge orders them deported, and even if they are deported, either you have the resources to put them on a bus and take them back to the border, and wants to stop.
00:34:29 I mean, they came here once illegally. Why would they not come back again? And they did. So he said he estimated that 10,000 of those were of other nationalities than Mexican. So out of it was mostly Mexican. The figure also includes a number of repeaters. Somewhat backs have been caught and sent back as many as seven times in a single day.
00:34:52 And where were they sending them back during this particular period? They're
00:34:56 just taken back to the border. At this,
00:34:58 yeah, of course, yeah, of course.
00:35:00 And yes, they just walk right back across, and and so it's it's kind of absurd. So this this really obviously pissed off the the people because this was still when there was a little bit it was gonna it was it was already being eroded thanks to World War II, because post World War II, you had all the talk about you know Hitler's bad because he thinks white people are good, so you had all this war propaganda. The Holocaust narrative hadn't really penetrated the the public yet, though, and and you still had a lot of racial coherence and maybe not identity, but definitely consciousness in white Americans in the 1950s, and so they yeah they they were they definitely wanted to put a stop to this because they understood that it wasn't just an economic problem.
00:35:54 This was a racial problem. This was one of the things that made. I mean they you could look. There's a reason why the the the immigration is moving one way. There's a reason why white people aren't trying to sneak into Mexico by the millions. It's because Mexico fucking sucks, and so you don't want a bunch of people that created a shitty fucking country to come to your awesome country and make it shitty, and so and and that's how. And look, people understood it on those terms.
00:36:22 They might not have always talked about it in those terms because, again, it had begun this post World War II thing where you couldn't talk. I mean, in the 1920s they were just saying it. In the 1950s they were kind of like this is where it started to become like oh well it's only safe if we start talking about it in economic terms.
00:36:37 Not only that, like during this period, I think this is when we crossed over into being a staunch capitalist society in such a way that it eclipsed the national racial consciousness, and that's why this was so problematic. I mean, the farmers were the real culprits on this one because if it wasn't for cheap labor, then everyone would understand that this was racial, and they basically offered no benefit to the United States.
00:37:03 Well, and if they like in that that first article that I played, obviously, yeah, even in the article, they point out it's a little weird that you go to jail and have to pay a $2,000 fine per illegal that you you're harboring, but unless you're a farmer, you don't. And and if you're a farmer, and you've got like you know 50 of these guys. Well, then you should be put in jail, and you should have to pay 200 you know $200,000. I wonder how much
00:37:29 we were exporting during this period. Let me look it up.
00:37:32 What in terms of agriculture? I don't know. So this was that was a big problem that people were getting upset by, and so Eisenhower asked his cabinet to try to come up with some solutions. My favorite, the one that we should have gone with, was called Operation Cloud Burst. Even has a cool name, like Operation Wetback's cool, but Operation Cloudburst is pretty cool. So Operation Cloudburst was something that the military cooked up, which is who should be cooking it up, by the way, because it's an invasion, and and who better to solve the problem of an invasion? So they wanted to deploy about 2000 troops along the U.S.-Mexican border. They wanted to erect eight-foot fences topped with razor wire in the the high-traffic areas.
00:38:37 They wanted to give the border patrol agents jeeps because they they you know obviously they didn't have drones but they didn't even have jeeps most of the time or really a whole lot of equipment they were really understaffed and and underfunded they wanted to not only have checkpoints at the border but they wanted to have checkpoints like in the interior of the United States, not as a permanent feature necessarily, but if it was, I mean, maybe it should have been because obviously this is one thing I've I've learned is that the demographic problem is not one that ever ceases, and I think that's that's a mistake that a lot of people think. Well, if we just do X, Y, and Z, then it'll fix it. No, it's something that you always have to be working to defend. It requires
00:39:32 constant vigilance because if you have a white homogenous country, it's going to be awesome without fail, and people are going to continue to try to penetrate the border, so
00:39:42 and the second you relax because you think that you fixed it or whatever, that's when the people are going to come in, and then you're going to be like, Why are all these fucking Mexicans here? And then you're going to, you know, and so they wanted to establish these checkpoints at interstates, and and and they would stop. People, which if you've ever driven around near the border, they kind of have some of those things.
00:40:07 Like if I remember when I used to drive from Albuquerque to Las Cruces, you they would randomly have like this. Even though you're not leaving the country, they would randomly have this border patrol checkpoint on the on the side of the road that would pull you over, and if you had weed in the car, it would freak you out. In fact, I hated seeing that fuck because you had to throw it out the windows. What you had to do because they they might have a dog. You don't know. I was I was always mad. Anyway, so they you have. We should explain
00:40:38 the show lore that you and I, you actually used to live near each other in Albuquerque.
00:40:44 Oh yeah, yeah. No, I used to
00:40:45 crazy, right?
00:40:46 I used to enjoy enjoy the the Northeast Heights, as it was called, the whitest the whitest part of town.
00:40:56 I lived in Sandia Heights.
00:40:58 No, I was I was in Norreste Manor.
00:41:03 I was a kid, so I don't remember that much.
00:41:06 It was a brand new house,
00:41:08 flat roof, Adobe style.
00:41:11 No, one of those those cookie cutter stucco ones, like with the tile roofs that every you know what I mean.
00:41:18 Yeah, yeah. It was it was right by
00:41:20 you know where La Cueva was? It was right next to La Cueva, basically.
00:41:24 Did you go to La Cueva?
00:41:26 I might have.
00:41:27 Oh, you know my brother went to the academy.
00:41:30 Yeah, yeah, that was. We used to drive by it all the time. Did you ever see the Wyoming Walker?
00:41:36 I don't remember. I left when I was eight, so
00:41:39 there was this old lady that used to walk along the academy, like the fence on Wyoming, and I mean, she's got to be dead now. She was like, but she was like this, no, because she this was like she was old. She was old dad, but everyone knew who she was because she dance walked for like three miles every morning, and so everyone just knew her as the Wyoming Walker. I'm someone should do a documentary on that crazy. Maybe
00:42:09 she's still alive from all the cardiovascular. No,
00:42:11 because that was the other thing. She she looked like she was like 80 when she was doing it.
00:42:16 Well, maybe she's 150 now. Yeah,
00:42:19 she'd have to be like like so old by now, but anyway. So they they yeah they wanted to also conduct raids on migrant camps. They wanted to conduct raids on the businesses that they suspected of hiring illegals. They wanted they basically wanted to use the military for all this, but Eisenhower was like, no, no, can't use that same thing. What do they always say? It's the posse comitatus. You can't use the military on domestic issues, but it's it's not a domestic issue. Like this is a foreign people,
00:42:59 yeah,
00:43:00 invading your country,
00:43:02 and that's how it was characterized in the media. That and and in government, there there are people that said this is a this is a foreign invasion. This is virtually a foreign invasion. So I fail to see why that would apply. Also, Eisenhower was under tremendous political pressure to do something about this, which is one of the reasons he orchestrated Operation Wetback. So he definitely should have authorized the use of federal troops. Everyone would have thought would have thought it was awesome.
00:43:24 Yeah, everyone would have thought it was based, and so they they finally come up with Operation Wetback, and on June 9, 1954, the commissioner Joseph Swing publicly announced Operation Wetback, and I tried to find a transcript of his actual announcement. And the closest thing I could find was an article from the day that he announced it in one of the well, one of the most probably interested party or areas. It was a paper from El Paso, the El Paso Herald. So let's have a listen to this announcement. The
00:44:13 government announced today a special roundup of wetbacks, accompanied by a request to Congress for stronger laws to combat illegal immigration. Attorney General Herbert Brownell Jr. announced a special program to apprehend and deport aliens illegally in this country from areas along the southern border. This, he said, could be undertaken starting June 17th by the new commissioner of immigration and naturalization, Joseph M. Swing, in selected areas, Brownell said the campaign against the wetbacks would be started in selected areas, and his press relations office defined this as being Southern California and Arizona.
00:45:00 The stepped-up campaign, it was said, will not start immediately in Texas. Brownell said this will not be a hit-and-run project. The border patrol in the area is being reinforced by 491 patrolmen from other areas of the country. At the same time, Brownell announced Congress would be asked to enact a new law to provide the government with much-needed weapons to assist in bringing to a halt the increasing illegal crossings of the border by wetbacks. Plan court injunction. Brownell's proposals would one authorize a court injunction to restrain an employer from continuing to hire aliens illegally in the country when the employer has knowledge that the alien is an illegal entrant.
00:45:53 Two authorize seizure and forfeiture of any vehicle or vessel used to transport aliens in violation of the immigration laws. Brownell emphasized that he was concerned with illegal Mexican migrants known as wetbacks, and not with legal Mexican nationals known as braceros. The illegal entries, Brownell said, have become a matter of great concern, both for the state and federal authorities.
00:46:24 We'll talk about that.
00:46:24 We'll search areas. Apprehensions for violations of immigration laws along the Mexican border have been averaging approximately 75,000 a month, and the illegal infiltration of aliens has been steadily increasing. Under the program, selected areas will be searched for wetbacks, and those apprehended will be returned promptly to Mexico. All apprehended aliens will be fed and otherwise cared for by the border patrol while under detention and being transported back to the border.
00:47:01 Yeah, so thank you, Tick. So that that was. I just liked how he said wetbacks, so I used that voice. Wetbacks. So that's what they did. They they they actually here's some footage, in fact, of them going around wetbacks, hundreds of alien workers rounded up. Says voice. There's there's literally no voice here. I don't know why, but that's and here's the thing though, because they weren't arresting the farmers that were hiring these fuckers. Now all they had to do was come back.
00:47:40 Yeah,
00:47:41 like if nothing's gonna happen to you, all you have to do is come back. But yeah, they look they they did try and they did get was what was the actual numbers on there? I thought I added to our our script. I don't think I did
00:48:00 for the for the bus lift,
00:48:02 no. Well, they did. Oh wait, that's right. Yeah, so they did bus operation. Well, not operation, but part of the operation was was bus lift, and that was in California, Arizona. Let's see here. They used
00:48:21 28 Greyhound busses, and it was over 1000 migrants. And then they they transfer them like deep into Mexico this time. Well, that was the thing.
00:48:30 Well, here's the problem, though. I found an article when I was researching this where because I heard that talking point that in fact that's what Trump even said, right? Oh, we'll take them to the border, and they just come across. So then, then Eisenhower took them deep in, and they did. They took them something like it was kind of crazy. They took them like 600 miles into Mexico, but then the Mexican government started shuttling them back to their home. So it it worked kind of for like maybe a few weeks, but then the Mexican government started just shuttling them back, because that was the initial problem.
00:49:05 Was they would take when this operation first started, they would take them across the border, and they would just the next day they would already be back because you're again they're not arresting the actual people doing it. They're not arresting the farmers that are that are giving them jobs, so they would just go get their job again,
00:49:23 right? And they would know exactly where to go. They didn't have to deal with any logistical issues. They would just be like, Oh, I already have a job and a place. Let's go right back there.
00:49:32 Right, and so that's that's what happened. So then they started doing sweeps, and they that this like began later in June, june 17, you had the sweeps phase, and this was agricultural heartlands in California, Central Valley, and Arizona, and INS coordinate with the local police in some cases, receive tips from growers or their representatives. Yeah, I believe that.
00:50:01 I yeah, I believe that they have no. They they're incentivized to lie about it, so I don't know how even local police would help without being in communion with farmers. I mean, I'm sure they were they were hiding all of these people very effectively, or at least not reporting them.
00:50:16 Right, and so they they but they did round up 1000s and 1000s Of them, one sweep rounded up about 4400, and they found that 64% were not even working for farmers. So 64% of them were just working for random companies. Again, anyone that because there's a lot of manufacturing that would hire these guys, you know, all those companies. Every one of the owners of those companies should have been thrown in jail. Every single one of them. There's
00:50:48 selection bias on that, though, because they were being harbored by the by the farmers. So I'm sure it was a massive number that just weren't being touched.
00:50:56 Right. Well, and that's the thing too is the farmers had a lot of political power, and there was a lot. There was another economy that would, because let's say if you're a a farmer in a rural area and you've got 100 illegals living in some compound, because that's what happened. They had like these little shanty towns on their property that they would have the Mexicans living in.
00:51:17 Well, the Mexicans have to eat. So guess what? The local businesses that like sell food are selling food to the farmers' workers, and they're selling clothes, and they're selling you know they're selling supplies, and so there's a economic, again economic impact. So people are incentivized just to look the other way and let the illegal Mexicans stay there because, especially if they're politically connected business owners, because it affects their bottom line, and they want more consumers. It's literally it's it's all the same incentives that we have today. It's just you know from 1950. It's it's slightly it's slightly different, but it's almost identical.
00:52:02 Nonetheless, though, in Texas, 63,000 people were returned to Mexico on their own. Yeah, in one state, and in July 1954, another 42,000 were formally detained. So people were self-deporting.
00:52:19 Well, right, and I do wonder though how much that is government estimates, and I always because I always feel like a lot of times, especially like with the Trump administration, where they talk about self-deportations, it's it's because their actual deportation numbers are so abysmal that they try to pump them up by by estimate. Because how would you know, right? There's no way to actually know how many people are actually self-deporting, so I'm sure there's like
00:52:44 I love the concept of self-deporting because it empowers the individual to make the life of the immigrant so bad that they just want to leave the country. And I feel like like that should should put a little steam in all of us. Like you can do it. You can make an immigrant's day shitty. You, as a person at home, you can do that. Well, you could. That's true.
00:53:06 Well, you could just make it. You could literally just make it legal to kill illegal immigrants, and they would all go
00:53:12 home. No, seriously, just probably only have to kill 10 of them.
00:53:15 Yeah, as soon as they found out, first of all, like the first day, you'd have you'd have like guys with like Confederate flags in the back of their pickup truck, like like just cruising through Mexican neighborhoods looking for them, right? And and after they popped off a couple Pablos, you know, like that would be that would be it. Yeah, the the word would get out, you know, and and no more fucking el gringo. would be over, you know. But and so I found some articles talking about you know the like here's there's a Mexican jumping out of a fucking second story window to escape to escape INS And and then I found this article where there was some positive outcomes.
00:54:09 See, this is the thing: is you know before the farmers started bitching about everything, there were there were some measurable positive outcomes where they were talking about how the people trying to apply for welfare, the numbers are going significantly down because if you don't have illegals doing all the work and the work still needs to get done, eventually, I mean this is basic economics. If you raise the price enough, eventually people will will come and do the work. It doesn't matter that it's shitty.
00:54:38 And look, if the crop is too expensive to grow, then you grow something else. You like, or you raise the price because if there's no way that like no one's gonna want oranges. You know, right? They they might not like how expensive they are, and they might not buy as many, and you might not as make make might not make as much profit. But there's the people if. If it's worth growing oranges, then you can grow oranges. If it's not worth it, then grow something else.
00:55:06 In the 50s, I don't know why we had an economy that was so heavily based on agricultural exports. I just looked this up. We exported in 53 billions in farm goods, with Western Europe, Japan, and South America as the primary billions in farm goods, primary market. Now, during the war effort, I understand because we were trying to feed the troops overseas, but in 1953, we should have seen that that this was destroying the demographics of the country and rearranged our export system. There really is no reason for us to be exporting agriculture at this level,
00:55:40 right? And and and look, you could say that maybe at post World War Two, because they were rebuilding Europe and whatnot. But we're talking like, how long does it that take? You know, like a decade, really. They had they don't have their shit together in Europe. A decade later, I doubt that. You know, like they they're able to produce their own food, and so yeah, basically you had globalization, and really, what it came down to is it wasn't just the farmers who were being greedy.
00:56:06 You're talking now about globalists, you know, financial institutions that are getting rich off of the exporting of goods, you know, and the the merchant class making a ton of money by buying a bunch of fucking oranges and shipping them off to God knows where, right? So this was this was kind of a even though it was a it was a success, you know, September through October 1954, you had raids extending into interior cities and agricultural areas farther north, so not just going out for the the border states.
00:56:47 And then, basically, this was kind of funny. I found this article here. What what that what this article is about is this just underscores why we don't want them here? He was saying, and we and look, you've heard the same fucking excuse from people that are pro-immigration today. He said he was one of these wetbacks said that he wasn't afraid of being deported. He was afraid of being murdered when he went back to Mexico. That Maxx was such a shitty fucking country that if they sent him back, that he would that he would get murdered. Like that was that was literally what he was saying, and so it's like, well, why would we why would we want people from the murder place to be here? Like I don't want people from the murder place to be here.
00:57:38 Yeah, I was doing research on on this before we did the show and listening to documentaries about it, all of them were critical, you know, because I wanted to kind of steel man the position. But I heard one person say like, Well, they would deport the parents, and sometimes their naturalized kid would have to go them and go go back to Mexico, and they wouldn't even speak Spanish. And I was like, How is that my problem if two Spanish-speaking parents don't teach their kids Spanish, and then they have to go to their nation of or like none of this is my problem. I don't have the the emotional bandwidth to deal with anybody but white people at this point. I just can't do it. Like where's this well of empathy coming from people? Isn't it limited in most people? Like people just have an endless well of empathy to care about all of these people that are not benefiting your country. I genuinely don't understand it.
00:58:28 Well, I think a lot of it's bullshit. Yeah, especially a lot of this comes from interested parties. You know, whether you're talking about racial or religious groups that want Mexicans here, they're not really. I mean, they know what they're doing, right? They're they're trying to find an angle, you know, and they're trying to find something that's going to make people get emotional about the the the issue.
00:58:51 But they're, I mean, if you were to to change some of the the variables in that equation to like, you know, like say, sending white people back to Europe, and I don't even speak German. No one would, you know. If you said that the Native Americans somehow were going to get the white people, German white people, to go back to Germany, those people wouldn't give a shit about that. They'd be like, Oh, you better start learning German,
00:59:15 you know. Yeah.
00:59:17 But here's here's the here's the problem: is most of the articles I found were this: farmers complain wetback operation is ruining them. It's going to make them go out of business. They can't afford to, you know, run their farms because the only possible way you can grow oranges is if Mexican hands are picking them from the trees, and and that's quite literally what they were saying, and and even then it's funny because that's I'm reading these articles and I'm just fuming, and then later I find a actual propaganda film that was produced by the Growers Association. In response to this, because that's what everyone was saying in the 1950s too.
01:00:05 Everyone in the 1950s was like, Well, you're just-we know what you're doing. You're just not paying people enough, and so you're getting slave labor so you can make more fucking money. So they literally put out this film to address exactly that and talk about stoop labor because most of what the Mexicans were doing is something that they classified as stoop labor, which well they'll talk about in a second. But I thought we're going to watch a couple clips from this documentary here. So this is this was literally put out by the Growers Association in order to address the complaints of of smart white people that were like you greedy fucks, America, and you got to love how they open it too. It's just like all this Patriotic, heartwarming, progressive music. Dot dot dot. America, look at the crops, making us wealthy and healthy and wonderful. America.
01:01:24 Farming is America's biggest industry. While most major American industries have made great advances in productivity, agriculture has outpaced them all. One of the reasons has been intense mechanization. Progress in mechanization has been impressive. However, some crops must still be harvested by hand
01:01:45 by Mexicans. See, so they they open up addressing that too because that was another argument. Even the 1950s, people were saying another thing that you're doing is you are suppressing innovation because if if this problem that you're talking about does exist, where no one's going to do it, and you still must grow whatever this crop is for some reason. Even though apparently it's it's so important, yet you you can't get the money to get anyone to grow it or to to work the fields.
01:02:16 Then inevitably you're going to have some kind of mechanical solution to that problem because people, if it's just if it's if it's so important, like you're saying that is like the whole world's going to explode unless we have cabbage, you know, like then we're going to have to have some kind of fucking machine that gets the cabbage out of the ground so that we can have cabbage, you know, like and that's how we got all these other machines, right? And so he he talks about the well you know that's how they open up like oh yeah well we have been we're like the most innovative industry out there but there's just a few things we haven't figured out yet and that's why we need Mexicans and so he talks about stoop labor being that category
01:02:57 because citrus trees are thorny more difficult to pick than other fruits, most farm workers avoid this kind of job. All such farm jobs, which are tough, dirty, or unpleasant, are generally referred to as stoop labor. Understandably, then, this is the only area in which the American farm labor supply falls short, and is supplemented by Mexican citizens, sometimes called nationals or Mexican nationals, but the term most commonly used is braceros
01:03:29 or wetback. So stoop labor is the category of shit. It's shit worth that no one wants to fucking do, and it's like again, all right, but if if that's the case, then you you charge, you know that you pay more. I mean, you you charge more for the product, and you pay more to get it until something because before
01:03:51 you let that part of the market collapse,
01:03:53 right? Or you don't grow fucking whatever this is that obviously we don't need, and if we did need it so bad, someone's gonna do it.
01:04:00 Can you mention what kind of crops they were?
01:04:04 He mentioned citrus specifically. I don't know why citrus because there's thorns on some citrus trees, like on lemon trees.
01:04:12 Do we really need anything but lemons? I mean, come on.
01:04:15 I mean, that's the thing is like it was citrus specifically, and then they they're I don't know like they show foot, I can't tell what this is. Whatever this is, it's hard to tell with the black and white. If
01:04:25 I had to give up oranges and there were no Mexicans, I would make that deal in a split second.
01:04:31 Oh no, no lemons!
01:04:33 What are we gonna do?
01:04:35 Oh fuck, fuck me! But here's here's the funny thing though too. It's the same. It is this. That's the arguments that you hear from like in England, right? Where like, well, if we got rid of all these fucking Arabs, then we wouldn't have kebabs. It's like, so what? Like, are you are you fucking kidding me? But yeah, that's that's literally the the excuse. So then they go on to address, like I said. Directly, exactly what we're saying.
01:05:04 It so happens that the braceros form a tiny fraction of the total labor force used on our farms. Yet some Americans feel even this tiny fraction should not be used. A typical dialog pinpoints the major issues. Well, with Americans on relief rolls.
01:05:21 Why bring in foreigners to work on our farms? Makes no sense.
01:05:26 Makes sense to the farmer, though. These braceros work for lower pay than Americans would.
01:05:31 But doesn't the farmer realize he's cutting down American labor, cutting down our living stents? Why doesn't somebody do something about it?
01:05:41 In short, the big question in many minds is why braceros.
01:05:46 So they, I like how they don't answer the question right after they they set it up. And by the way, there's a
01:05:54 really good argument that we're just not going to address. We're just going to mention it, and then we're going to move on.
01:05:58 Well, right, and and well, no, they attempt to. So this documentary is actually like 20 minutes long, and when I watched all 20 minutes of it, expecting them to at least come up with some kind of argument, the argument by the see again presented as a public service by the Council of California Growers. Yeah, a nice public service you guys did there. It amounted to. It's hard. It's hard.
01:06:24 Like I'm not kidding you. They they just show the process that the farmers have to go through to find people, and then they say, and then no one wants to do the job. So then we have no choice then to go to the Mexican guy because the he the the process they do it because obviously when you have a like a harvest right that's not a job that you're going to pay someone full time with benefits year round because it's you know it's like a you know you do it all at once and then you're yeah once a year like that's it, and so the way that they have they have a system basically where if you want to go work at a you know during a harvest season.
01:07:03 You want to work at a farm. You sign up for one of these agencies, or the government also has like a you know tied to like the unemployment office. They they also have like some kind of roles, and you sign up for I'll you know I'll go pick grapes or whatever, and so when the farmer wants to do it, he goes to this agency and he's like, I need you know 200 fucking people to go pick grapes on these days.
01:07:29 To the these days, and you have to do it. You have to schedule in advance. So, and which is fine because you know when you're going to harvest or at least roughly, and so he signs it, signs up for it, and then the agency fills up that gap, and the argument was that they would go in there to these agencies, and no one would want to do the shitty labor that we were paying nothing for, and so we had to go to the Mexicans that'll do it, and it's like okay, but you didn't answer the question.
01:07:59 Had you gone to those agencies with a higher wage for that job, you would have had people. I mean, just because you have to do this through an agency doesn't change at all the the the questions or the concerns that you put and you front loaded this documentary with, like where they they said that you you're not paying enough. Not once do they address how they figure out what they're gonna pay, how they calculate the pay. Nothing. They just they're just like
01:08:32 profit margins off. Right. They
01:08:33 don't talk about that literally literally at all. They're just like we go to this agency. It's like we look. We don't care about the minutia about how you find these fucking people. Not no part of the argument about what you're doing wrong here has to do with like how you hire them. We're talking about how much you're paying them, because if you know it doesn't matter. Oh, I I guess I didn't know that's how you got and I didn't. I don't know that's how you got farm workers. But who fucking cares? Like if you if you put on the that whatever bulletin board that they put it on to to get people to come work there.
01:09:03 Yeah, you add a zero or something like that. People are going to fucking show up. So anyway, they then talk about the process where they go to a representative of the Maxxing government, who because their economy sucks because it's full of brown people, they will come and and do it. And and the actual the federal government actually arranges for it, and then this was hilarious. So then, this is another one of the same things that you hear about the Mexican immigration problem in the United States today.
01:09:32 Is well, not only are they coming here and they're depressing wages, and they're driving up housing prices, and they're they're committing crime and all this other stuff, but also they're sending money out of our economy back home to Mexico. So you're actually having money bleeding out of the white people country and into the brown. It's it's it's basically. A wealth transfer of our generational wealth to a a foreign country, and so this was a concern back then too. And the answer to this is so fucking hilarious.
01:10:14 And what of the money earned by the braceros? Is it all, as some people claim, drained out of this country? Hardly. Look at the braceros when they come here.
01:10:24 Just look at them. Look at them, those dirty Mexicans. It's
01:10:28 obvious they need a great many things, like clothes, for instance. Where do they spend their money? As a local merchant put
01:10:36 it. This motherfucker didn't have shoes. Those guys
01:10:39 look pretty good to me. They they look fine. What is he talking about?
01:10:42 The argument no the argument literally is they don't have shoes. They're gonna buy shoes. They're gonna buy shoes in America. Is that money going back to Mexico? No. So what are you complaining about? Pablo here bought his first pair of shoes that pay less, and so the money stays in America. Like that's that's literally what he's saying. Like they make it sound like the the Mexicans show up, they they earn their money here, and they spend it all here on shoes, and then they and then they go back to Mexico.
01:11:20 So that was the answer to that one, which I was just like, really? That's all right. All right, I guess. Yeah, and then they have this fucking like like borderline retarded guy talk about he he kind of says the quiet part out loud a little bit on accident.
01:11:37 The stoop labor situation being what it is, I don't see how the local farmers can get along without braceros. Without this source of labor, many farmers are going to be unable to make a profit.
01:11:50 Don't you mean as much? Because again, as much of a profit, sure. Now the argument that they try to inject here too is they try to act as if, well, you know, America is not the only place oranges come from, and so if the Americans aren't making the oranges, then they'll they'll start getting orange communist oranges. They'll get oranges from Cuba or something like that, and it's like no, that's what tariffs are for. If that was, if let's say that really happened, right? Let's say you start paying white people enough money to actually go and pick your oranges, and now oranges go up from you know $1 a piece to $2 a piece. You double the fuck.
01:12:35 Oh no! Oh fuck! Oranges are two bucks. Yeah. The what are we going to do? So then, apparently, according to these guys, the communists are going to come in with their oranges and sell them for $1.50. It's like that's again, that's what the federal government's for. All you have to do is say, all right, for every communist orange that comes in, we tack on that tariff of of 50 to 75 cents or whatever, and and make them more expensive, so people can still get them if they want, but it won't be you know they won't be undercutting our people, and and you know that's an easy way to to deal with that problem.
01:13:14 Well, make the pay high enough, and you'll pull in all the domestic labor you need. The fact is that farm wages have gone up steadily for many years, but we still don't have enough seasonal domestic labor willing to do this kind of work.
01:13:30 Because it didn't go up enough.
01:13:32 I know, and I I reject this premise that this is too dirty of a job. I mean, people came back from World War II and they resumed their jobs as garbage men, like terrible, actually discuss discussing jobs, and they were getting their limbs blown off in war, seeing the horrors of war, and they're going to come back and be like, Well, I don't want to get there's thorns on that tree. Yeah, it's illustrious. It's just that they wanted to reduce the wages so much that they were making massive profit margins, far more than any other farmers in the United States.
01:14:05 Right, that's 100% what it was.
01:14:07 Conclusion: Unless we have braceros to fill the gap, many stoop labor crops will be forced out of American agriculture. Who cares?
01:14:17 Coming from the the commies. The commies will bring them in. Now that was that was literally the the argument, and then they go on to say, and here this is the other. They tried to make it sound like there'd be some horrible like catastrophe ripple effect that would literally that would tank the entire economy if we didn't have oranges, like because well you know you know it's not just oranges, you know.
01:14:41 Because did you know there's people that make orange juice? Well, what about the guy at the orange juice factory? Because if all of a sudden there's no oranges, there's no orange juice, and so your mom that works at the orange juice factory should just be on the street now because you hate Mexicans, you know. Maybe you shouldn't have been such a racist. Then your aunt Sally would still be able to work at the orange juice cannery. Like that's that's basically what they do. And again, they never address like that. Well, come on, you you keep saying you know wages have gone up, but so have prices. So like you didn't say by how much.
01:15:19 You're not comparing them to anything else. You're giving like you're just saying they've got up up from what was it was it like $1 a day before now it's $1.50 because that's that's up you know like what what what what what exactly is up so there's there's zero actual argument in this entire fucking thing but then they're all and in conclusion that's why we need Max in Spanish
01:15:40 braceros means a man who works with arms and hands, but in American lingo, they are called lifesavers, and they are not only to the farmer, but to the housewife, the grocer, the transporter, the canner and processor, and to all of the other industries whose output and very existence are so closely interlocked and dependent on the continued supply of such crops. Come on, they aren't
01:16:10 saving lives. We aren't like 18th century sailors that are dying of scurvy. We need citrus fruit immediately. They're not saving lives here. I think that this is transparent, even by the standards of the day.
01:16:23 No, that's how how it ended. Literally, that's how it ends. It was like in Mexico, it means they work with their hands. In America, we call them godlike heroes of humanity. It's like because they make they they they Pick oranges,
01:16:41 yeah.
01:16:42 They're they're not
01:16:44 your mom at the grocery store should be fucking licking their balls every time she gets a can of orange juice. It's just like what the fuck. But that so this was the that was the propaganda film that I found when I was looking for this stuff, but the the funny thing is a
01:17:04 good find, Devon. That was good.
01:17:06 Yeah, and and the thing is, like this was this is always why we've had this kind of immigration, and it has. I mean, like I said, with Elon, it's the same thing, and they always get so fucking max,
01:17:20 just like Indians in tech.
01:17:22 Yeah, it's exactly like that.
01:17:24 Yeah,
01:17:24 it's and and it's funny because they know on some level they know what the fuck they're doing. That's why Elon got so fucking mad when he started getting called out on X and banded like all those fucking people after saying fuck you in the face or whatever when they were talking about the Indians because he knows what he's doing. He knows that, like that, that's that not impossible to get white people programmers. You know that you don't have to go halfway around the world to get fucking people to write bad code.
01:17:51 Like he knows this. Everyone fucking knows this. And you know what? Guess what? Maybe you'd have more white people able to do this stuff if you hadn't been disenfranchising them from the educational institutions for fucking 40 years. Ever think about that, assholes? Yet, if you hadn't like turned every educational institution to some babysitting facility for fucking niggers and spics, maybe this wouldn't be a problem. Maybe this wouldn't be a fucking problem, huh? And so, because they all fucking get this on some level, they get really fucking angry. I I I have a story about this personally. This is a couple years ago. I went out.
01:18:29 I was going a little crazy because I live out here in the middle of fucking nowhere, and I drove out to like some random bar in the in like fucking Nowhereville, and there was a a cattle rancher that was at this bar, and usually, because I was kind of new in town, it was like when kind of close to around when I first came out here. In fact, this is before COVID, and I I was still like in hide my power level mode because it's there's not a lot of people out here, and I don't want them to be like, Well, that's where the racist lives, honey, you know, and and stuff like that. And so I was just kind of like, you know, trying to keep it. But I think I'd had a couple beers, and so I was feeling a little less, you know, in in power mode, hiding mode. And this guy was talking about Trump and how he liked Trump and and all this other stuff. What
01:19:22 year was this?
01:19:22 This was this would have been. It's probably about four or five years ago. So this would have been maybe maybe right before COVID, while Trump was president still. And so I'm talking to this guy, and he he talks or he has this cattle ranch, and he starts talking about even though after he just finished talking about how he loved Trump and he wants to deport people, whatever, he starts talking about how he hires illegals to work at his fucking ranch, and I was like, and I and I got mad at him, and I started telling him like about basically about.
01:20:00 Demographics and about you know about race and IQ and stuff like that, and he got really mad at me and that and I because he tried to tell me that like oh no we're you know we're all the same that's racist shit and I said our cows all the same and he and he got really quiet and I was like oh yeah so there's different breeds of cows then, huh? Where there's some cows that are better for milking, and then there's some cows that are better for butchering, right? It's not just one cow, right? The industry doesn't just have like one kind of cow.
01:20:33 Like you spend a lot of money on fucking bull semen, don't you? And and he and he and he got real fucking quiet. Like, oh, that's weird, huh? So like that-that only exists. Breeding only exists with like cows. Like it doesn't. Like that doesn't extend out to like the rest of the animal kingdom. You fuck, and almost got in a fight. And yeah, that was kind of fun.
01:20:54 It's crazy that there is a bar. That there is some guy out there who got to sit next to drunk Devon Stack in a rural yelling about
01:21:02 bull semen. Yes, yelling about
01:21:05 what this man has no idea what his luck
01:21:10 is. Oh, he was such he he was such a prick too. And the crazy thing is, he was an immigrant. He was white, but he was the son of immigrants. His family was they were rich Dutch, rich Dutch people that bought up that like his or his parents apparently at some point because this before he got ugly he told me this part his parents came out here I don't know like 50 years ago or something like that and bought up a bunch of cheap land and started up dairy stuff because they were, you know, because they're Dutch and they have wooden shoes and the windmills and you know cheese or what I don't know, but the
01:21:53 farm was just tulips, yeah,
01:21:54 right. But so but that that was the annoying thing is we got this fucking so he doesn't care, right? He doesn't give a fuck on a couple levels. He doesn't care because he's making money off of you know these having to pay these people next to nothing. He doesn't have to worry if they get injured. Like there's you know there's no workers' comp or whatever the fuck you have to deal with with all that stuff.
01:22:17 And so he's just and and he has no genetic connection to the the the land itself, you know. Like as far as he's concerned, this is just a financial playground. So it's not just you know it's not just certain groups that do this, and that's that's the unfortunate reality. Is a lot of people are just they just don't give a fuck about race. A lot of white people, like people wonder, like how did you know how did the the white elite let this happen? It's because most people care more about money than than race.
01:22:49 That is the point of the whole stream, right? And until we we abolish this kind of insane capitalism, I'm not really sure that people will stop doing this. I mean, people are primarily self-interested,
01:23:02 right?
01:23:02 Cameron and I argue about this all the time. It's like he he thinks that the ethnos is just going to arise in the people, but look at this Dutch guy. I mean, yeah, and and it's it is because he has no connection to the land. In he should, I mean, he's defective as an individual. He should have enough of an ethnic hierarchy in his mind that he connects with other white people more generally, but did he? No.
01:23:27 Right, and here's the other thing. I'm sorry. This guy seemed like he was at least of average white IQ, and you're trying to tell me that a bunch of illegals working on a fucking dairy farm make great conversation with this guy. Like he like he can't tell the difference in in intelligence when he's dealing with these fucking people. No, it's precisely because he can tell the difference in intelligence that he knows that he can rip them off.
01:23:50 Like that's that's literally what's going on here. And the funny thing is, another thing that illustrates this, I found a clip of Cesar Chavez, you know, the Mexican fucking folk hero back in 1974, complaining about illegal immigrants and calling them wetbacks because they again this further underscores this is not just a white phenomenon where you people care more about money than they care about their race.
01:24:20 He cared more about the Mexicans in America because they weren't getting as much money because illegal immigrants were coming, wetbacks as he calls them, as you'll soon hear, were coming to America and not only depressing the wages when he because he was trying to unionize farm workers that were here legally, and I'm sure some of them that weren't, but that was his whole whole thing. Was he was trying to create unions, and most of the farm workers were because of birthright citizenship, were were Mexicans, or because of the well, actually this is before Reagan, I guess, did his amnesty.
01:25:00 But this is, you know, by 1974, there's a bunch of Mexicans working farm jobs legally in the United States, and Cesar Chavez is trying to unionize them, and he's mad because they're suppressing wages. And when he does a strike, all the farmer does is he brings in a literal busload of illegal immigrants, and the illegal immigrants, when they see the Mexicans in America striking, they don't think to themselves, Oh, I shouldn't, I shouldn't bust up this strike by working for this farmer because those are my people.
01:25:34 And you know, La Raza or anything like that. No, he he was like, No, fuck it, I'm going to go and and work for Farmer Bill for next to nothing because me as the illegal Mexican, I just care about money, and so the Mexicans that were picketing just cared about money because they resented the Mexicans that were from south the border, and the Mexicans from south the border only cared about money because they didn't give a fuck about the situation that the other Mexicans were in, so I just thought this clip was interesting. Mestizo music.
01:26:11 This question of the illegals is I find very interesting. Would you say that it's at this particular moment as important as any of the other problems facing the union.
01:26:22 Oh yes, in the last three weeks has become. In last two weeks, it has become an emergency for us. There's an awful lot of illegals coming in by the 100, by the 1000s. Our people are not only in some of the some of the crews where where there is now strike breaking. Some of the crews are 100% illegals, outright, openly, with no attempt to disguise it, and so it's so so bad now that we estimate 60 to 70% of the farm workers in California, of the resident worker, of the citizen, is out of a job because of the wet bags.
01:26:59 They're coming in by the 1000s, just unbelievable. See, they're coming in with the consent of the Immigration Service, which is part of the Department of Justice. How else could they come? We, for instance, know that if you go to Coachella, you go to around the El Paso area. The secondary immigration checkpoints have been have been unmanned now for oh, at least three, four weeks. They're closed.
01:27:23 They're at night. They're they're dark. There aren't any patrolmen there. It's it's a gimmick. We think that it's a prelude at the beginning to a big drive on the part of the administration and the Mexican government to bring the bracero program again. It's a vicious attack on the on the local worker, and it's just one of those things that every business thinks they can get away with it. And our job is to inform the whole country what's happening, together with a boycott, and solve it that way. And so, the workers themselves, even though a lot of them are Mexican descendants, descendancy themselves are very uptight and very very worried and very mad about the illegals coming to break their strikes and takes away their jobs, their livelihood, and so forth.
01:28:11 So it just goes to show that like what people at the end of the day care about more than race, unfortunately, is money.
01:28:19 Money.
01:28:20 So if you want to know the Jewish superpowers, it's a they have a racially racial centric religion, a race centric religion rather, and they control the money. So that's all that's all you need. That's literally all you need, and you get everything you want because if if you control money and you have a religion that is that prioritizes your racial interests, you're done. Like that's it.
01:28:51 That's true. That is the silver lining. I know I'm. I sound like like I'm just repeating myself. That is the silver lining of economic collapse because we will no longer have the luxury of of relying on our economic status, so I think that in in that way there will be a racial consciousness that emerges in a in a meaningful way. I
01:29:12 don't know. It happened in the
01:29:13 depression.
01:29:15 I I don't. So here here's what I'm thinking. Honestly, I think that the because look, we want homogeneous societies not just because they are more because they're safer they have less crime because it's socially better, but because all of the things that actually make a country successful are are augmented if that population is homogeneous, and we are coming into an era now where all of these formerly third world countries and economies like China and like India don't have the diversity problems that we do, and so we.
01:30:00 While we were so far ahead of the rest of the world during like the 1950s and 60s, and so if we took our eye off the ball for a few decades, so we could deal with the nigger problem and all this other shit that was going on, like yeah, it was bad, and yeah, set us back decades, and and yeah, it was you know we'll never understand what America would have looked like had we just sent all the slaves back to Liberia and never opened up the fucking floodgates to immigration around the turn of the century, turn of the century specifically. But at least we had so much momentum and so much of a head start that put us technologically and economically and just really every metric you could measure between the United States and say you know China in 1950.
01:30:47 I mean China in 1950 was quite literally like just a gigantic third world country, and now that's not the case. Now they are doing. I mean, look, people got impressed by Elon SpaceX rockets that could come back and land after they reach low Earth orbit and you know deployed you know some second stage rocket or whatever. China has already duplicated that because while they might not innovate as quickly as we do, they're really good at replicating, and so because of their inability to innovate at the same speed, will will they just you know run right over us? Probably not. But that diversity problem is a bitch, and it's going to create a yes.
01:31:31 We will be at the at the basically at the mercy I think of these more homogeneous societies. But I don't think that's going to translate into and then all of a sudden the white people kick everyone out. I I think that's more of a possibility in say European countries, right? That where this isn't something like naturally in researching this on this project I'm working on, which you guys will know about hopefully in a couple weeks at at most. One of the things that that struck me was I feel like that the context that like a lot of people will say things like, Well, if it wasn't for the Immigration Act of 1965, everything would be fucking great. No, this has been a constant assault on the white demographic on the United States, going back to the maybe not quite the founding, but shortly after there has been just a constant assault, and the numbers are so fucking bad.
01:32:27 And the people that have come in here now have been here for so fucking long that I'm literally getting into arguments on Twitter about whether or not someone who's 15% Indian, whether they're white or not, and it's just like that's how fucking bad it is in America now. So it's you know like in Europe maybe there's a better chance because that has I mean this is a rel it is a relatively new phenomenon there.
01:32:56 I would even say I mean this is wishful thinking I think just because I think there's just something in the angle of blood that invites this kind of demographic suicide, but I would even say places like Australia, where they had the all-white policy until like really fucking recently, you know, they they have a better chance, but maybe not even there. You know, like one
01:33:19 of the strengths of Operation Wetback though was its its its logistics. I mean, they did a very good job at sizing up the scope of the problem and then using existing resources to deport people. And even though we have a much bigger demographic problem now, we also have more robust resources to transport people. I mean, they were using planes and things like that, but not at the level that we're capable. Yeah, but this isn't
01:33:44 about technological capability. We could we could literally drone strike every illegal tomorrow. You think with Palantir and and all the the fucking flock cameras and facial. You don't you don't think? I mean, not for a second. If we wanted to, if if we had the political will and some kind of just you know super authoritarian guy that that but here's the problem because of the structure of our government even if you had literal Hitler in the White House literal Hitler in the White House isn't enough because you'd have to have like 1000 Hitlers over at the DoD. Even I would never,
01:34:23 I would never advocate for a systemic solution. I mean, this is going to have to be extra political. And as the population is getting pushed around more and more, people are going to discover that will. I mean, it's going to happen eventually. Don't you have any faith in white people? I mean, everybody in the world, talks about how we're how we're so genocidal and so awful. I think that we're just efficient and rational, and that we can look inside ourselves and find that genocidal part of ourselves and express it. And I think that everybody should be really fucking worried.
01:34:57 Well, my answer to that is that that. While that does happen, it has never happened in a a ethnically diverse country. There's never been a situation where whites make up 50% or less of a country and then magically rise up and take over the country. You know, like that. Yeah, but
01:35:19 there are 150 million white people in this country.
01:35:23 Yeah, but there's like 160 million non-white people.
01:35:27 Yeah, but it's not like like like the intelligence of of five black guys is like one. It's like five to one in terms of intelligence. So yeah, but so let's intelligence is you only need the vanguard. You you need the vanguard and you need them to be efficient and you need them to be innovative. I mean, I'm not particularly concerned about the numbers in that way because we're not looking at a one to one comparison here.
01:35:53 I'll tell you what. The when I'm done with my project, when I drop like the biggest black pill that white people have have ever seen, then you'll understand. I'm I'm just so I'm just so seeped in research right now because it's just like the more you look into, the more you're just like, fuck, man. Like there's just so many. Here's the thing. You talk about a vanguard, okay? Well, that's great. There's, there's like what we talking about, like what Patriot Front versus like the the 2000 Jewish NGOs with with millions of dollars, and that's just like one racial interest, you know. I know. I'm not. I'm not
01:36:37 saying these aren't tremendous problems. I'm saying they aren't insurmountable. We have gotten out of some jams as white people. I believe in our will to survive as a. But
01:36:46 we got out of jams when we operated within a country where the elite were also white people, and they also had the same existential anxieties that the the populace did. In fact, often the other way around. Usually, what happened was you had a white country that was led by whites that then led their population towards this you know school shooter type mentality, top down. It wasn't like a bottom up kind of a thing.
01:37:16 Like even the Revolutionary War, right? Like they make they like to talk about it like it was just a bunch of farmers with pitchforks, but it wasn't. We're talking about big landowners. We're talking about like the people that knew that if there wasn't an English control of of the colony, that they would become the ruling class, and because they sort of defect de facto already were that that they just were, if they severed that connection across the Atlantic Ocean, that it's not like there would be this massive reordering of the social hierarchy in the colonies. It just would lack this overbearing system across the pond, and so that's the problem. White
01:38:00 people they always trend in all of our societies. We trend towards order, and as society becomes increasingly chaotic, there's going to be a necessary reconstruction, a necessary reordering of our government, of our society. I don't expect our current government to be able to implement any of these things. I mean, I've totally lost faith in the system, but that doesn't mean that we can't develop something for white people, and I think that that that is where the movement is heading. These things are not important. But what's
01:38:27 what's what's this something though? Like you're you're talking a lot of you're using a lot of platitudes and oh, I mean
01:38:33 I I have no idea. We have to wait until these. I have no fucking clue. Yeah, you think I have the answers to this? I'm just saying that things can change really quickly, and that we have to be ready to seize the opportunities when those become apparent and when they arise. I mean, I just think that we're going to figure it out. I I do.
01:38:52 Well, but here's the thing: the thing is, we need some specificity, and which is that's what what I that's what I set out to do when I started my research a few weeks ago. Is I was I was like, first of all, I need an assessment like how bad is it, and then I need to know like how did it get this bad and for how long.
01:39:08 Are there any numbers on how bad it is? Because I can I to date cannot find a reasonable estimate for the number of white people in this country. Well,
01:39:17 I'll tell you what, under 18, it's already happened even by official numbers, under 18, we're sub 50.
01:39:24 Yeah.
01:39:24 By official numbers, we're supposedly still 56, but that's still really bad. And that's and that's of total in the United States. There's several urban areas that are already were the minority, and because you got to think this-that's like total country. So that includes all the rural areas where it's still like 90% white, or you know, whatever, right? So if you're if you include all the super, if you include Maine in the average and everything, you know, and Vermont and all this stuff, you're still coming up 56% That's what I'm trying to explain.
01:40:02 Is and then the whites that you do have, the whites that you do have. I mean, it's not like a a vast majority of whites, or even a majority, or even like a strong, a robust minority is is white nationalists. You know, like at at at best, you have maybe 50% of whites are maybe sympathetic to you know white nationalist leanings, you know. But you you have that's the problem is you still have the the 50% of white liberals who who just hate hate themselves or or you know, there's a number of things that. But that's what I'm telling
01:40:43 you. These things reorder somewhat spontaneously when tribalism becomes acceptable because lives are threatened and way of life is threatened. So you know, I I have a friend. She came over from the left a year ago, and now she's the most racist person I've ever met in my life. Like these things happen. Yeah, but
01:41:00 what are but but what what are the what's the thing like? What's a thing? You keep saying these things. People
01:41:05 start getting murdered in mass by minorities.
01:41:09 But then what?
01:41:10 Then I think people will accept white nationalism. Okay,
01:41:13 but let's say they do. Then what? Then what happens?
01:41:16 Well, the government I think is also going to collapse. We're going to have some sort of economic calamity. But I mean, there's going to be to wait for that. We are, we are, we are going to have to wait for some external, for some external calamity. I don't, I don't really see a way that we're going to be able to reorder in the absence of the system collapsing. I mean, do you? We have no institutional and political power, but they're not always going to have power. They have no credibility. They have no money. This war with Iran has been a disaster for the image that we have a robust military on the on an international level. I mean, how much longer can can we really do this? Do you really think that it is not imminent that there's going to be some sort of political reordering? The government doesn't. No, don't get me
01:42:02 wrong. I would love for there to be that. I'm just saying that even if you like, the Roman Empire did not just one day have a reordering. The Roman Empire slowly bled out, and and and people fled and left, and and and I feel like you're gonna. That's more likely than white people suddenly band together and I don't know kill all the Mexicans or something like you know what I mean. Like that's the problem. Is like there there's no like what's the what's the the thing that they all do once they once they oh we all figured it out though we we were white no no
01:42:39 I mean even on an international level, I think that white people are going to have to get together. Get to get get together because we are our first priority is living in high trust communities, and so we just come together nationally or naturally. So even if this doesn't happen in the United States, I'm not really, even though I'm a heritage American, I'm not attached to the American project.
01:42:59 If we have to do this with Europeans, I'm I'm fine with it, but you know the the goal now is to compact the white population, preserve, get birth rates up, and then develop a plan. I don't know what this plan is. I'm a woman. I don't have a plan for how to reorder society. But I mean, what we can't just like black pill into our graves here. Like we need we need to figure something. I'm not
01:43:21 saying. Look, I'm not saying white people are going to go extinct. I think what what I am saying though is, in the past, when you've had people that have been up against you know elite structures like this, what you're talking about the pilgrims who came to America, the the Mormon pioneers that went to Utah, that's usually the solution. You get the fuck out and you go somewhere else. I'm fine with
01:43:44 that. But there's do that. Then I'm okay. But
01:43:46 where are we going to go? That's the problem. Is
01:43:47 yeah,
01:43:47 before up until recently, that was always an option, but now we're at a point where you know we live in a world of Google Earth.
01:43:57 You know where every fucking square inch of the planet has been photographed and mapped and and surveyed and belongs to fucking somebody you know somewhere, and you can't just load up a boat and be like gonna go steal all that land from them engines over there, you know, and and that's the problem is is if you could do that, fuck you know, absolutely, Now, there's there's yeah there's there's possible scenarios where there's a civil war maybe you know maybe there's like like you said maybe there's a world war like maybe because China does start kicking everyone's ass because they don't have to worry about diversity problems they do develop more powerful AIs, and and then finally you get Western ruling class people getting tired of playing second banana to Chinese, and so they you know something happens, or maybe there's some kind of fight over resources, some kind of rare earth mineral that like.
01:45:00 The super data centers need, or whatever the fuck, right? What, maybe, maybe there's some kind of war that that causes a problem. The problem, even in that scenario, is the United States demographically is still fucked, and and I don't see like even with a world war or a civil war, maybe, but you're still super demographically fucked in the United States. I think that you know, like you said, I'm not as much as I do feel connected to this land. If there was like some kind of actual white country that would accept, you know, maybe you have to take a DNA test or whatever to get in. I'm there. Yeah, I'm fucking there. I would show up.
01:45:43 I would let them test my DNA and and and whatever you know. Yeah, but I feel like that's almost more likely that it would happen somewhere else. The United States is just so like like I said. Once I just anticipate a giant black pill for me, because once you see like just how fucking bad it is and how long it's been going on, it's it's kind of hard to imagine a scenario where that momentum reverses, you know. Because this is,
01:46:12 but I'm not. I'm not even thinking about the United States. I'm totally off that train. I don't give a shit any more about this country. You know, I care about the preservation of white interest internationally, so whatever we have to do, we are 7% of the world population that is not insignificant. That is hundreds of millions of people. I think that we can find a solution where we at least create a safe environment for ourselves and our ability to procreate, and that's really what I'm looking towards right now. We can fortify the absolute shit out of it.
01:46:44 Well, I think in the short term, that the fight that people, in order to make sure you can preserve white people in the short term, because we have to have you know long term solutions are great to theorize about and whatever, but I do think in the short term that we need to start fighting for, make or and making sure that we can have the freedom of association in the United States and have communities kind of like our falls got, and start building upon that, even if it's covert, even if it's like not as you know.
01:47:17 Which, by the way, there are communities that already exist that are all white that just no one talks about it because they don't want to have Jews sue them, you know. But I think that that that's the way to go. Is in the meantime, sure, it'd be great if some black swan event happens and and whatever. But in the meantime, we got to worry about survival, and not only that, we have to start collectivizing in a way because that's the other issue too. Is there there are white, and I mean geographically too, like not just because there's there's lots of of people that get it, but they're all over the place. You know, they're they're dotted all over the world, not even just all over the country.
01:48:00 You know, like the the the the people that that truly get it. Maybe our numbers are. I don't. I don't even know what. What do you think? I mean, if you had to put a number to how many of people are as as race pilled as you, you know, like like how many actual in the world? Like if you had to put an actual like a quantitative number to it, like 100,000.
01:48:23 Oh no, far more than that.
01:48:26 You think so?
01:48:27 I would say it's in the millions.
01:48:30 That are as race pilled as you.
01:48:32 Oh yeah, for sure.
01:48:34 You think so?
01:48:35 On the earth, there's 7 billion people. Yeah.
01:48:39 Yeah, but I think
01:48:40 that we can at least get a few million people together. No, I'm saying
01:48:43 like in this moment, like you think there's over a million white people that like that are that would listen to us and not think that we're racist.
01:48:53 Yeah, yeah,
01:48:54 really.
01:48:55 Yeah, I mean we've got okay. Let's let 30,000 people listen to our show each week, roughly. Let's say they're all unique views, and that's and that's of people that have been exposed to our content. Let's say we exposed our content to 7 billion people.
01:49:12 Yeah, no, I'm not saying I'm not saying you you couldn't get a million. I'm just saying like right now you think there's a million.
01:49:17 Yeah, absolutely. I think people are naturally racist, and that what we're saying is is not that controversial.
01:49:24 No, I just don't think they're in that that headspace yet. I think there's still a lot of people that are fighting, you know, the centuries of propaganda and all that nonsense.
01:49:33 Yeah, but when you find out certain pieces of information, and then it makes your life make sense, a lot of people just can't they they can't go on any longer without accepting that truth. A lot of people can still live in the delusion, but there's a subset of high IQ individuals that are like, Huh, well now I know Santa doesn't exist, and I just have to act accordingly. And I think that that those numbers would total probably more than in the millions.
01:49:59 To try to see if there's a way to, to actually get like real. I don't know how you determine that. There's got to be a way of trying to find some kind of data point somewhere that lets you extrapolate out and actually, at least have like a a smart estimate. I might have to do that.
01:50:16 And then look at how much how much things have changed in terms of what is socially acceptable to say, I mean, like my my dad was at the barber shop, and they were just talking about the Jews.
01:50:27 Yeah, but you live in like a unique part of the country. Yeah,
01:50:32 it's awesome.
01:50:33 Like like where I live, there there there they certainly have a they have they have you know fuck Joe Biden signs like there was like some one of these ranchers had a giant billboard that he probably used illegal immigrants to paint fuck Joe Biden in giant you know letters, and that was funny, ha ha. But I guarantee you that guy loves Israel, and you know like the people out here that are MAGA boomers, and there are some, but they're MAGA boomers. You know what I mean? Like they they would be upset. They would call me a racist. They'd be like, Well, I'm not racist. I just think that the economy would be better with federally political. People
01:51:12 care about social conformity. So as we move the needle, if we're able to regain some element of the narrative, and these things become more socially acceptable, which I think it's irrefutable that that has happened in the last five to 10 years. I mean, there's there's just no way you can argue that this is not becoming part of the of the national narrative in a meaningful way.
01:51:32 And as that happens, people are going to get peeled off, and they're going to engage in social conformity. And that's why it's important to continue to do what we do, even though we've said the same things over and over a million times. No,
01:51:47 well, look, I think that people being suspicious of Jewish influence is certainly-I wouldn't say mainstream necessarily-but the taboo has certainly been historically weakened, at least post World War II, and I do think that there are more race-conscious white people than there have been probably since well my whole lifetime. I would agree with that, but I don't think that it rises to the millions, and I don't think that.
01:52:21 How could it not? How many white people are there in the world? I mean, I don't even know the answer to that question. It's in the hundreds of millions, surely.
01:52:28 Yeah, but I think that it's like I think it's below 1% of white people that that get it.
01:52:35 That's still millions and millions of people.
01:52:41 I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm just like I said. I'd like. I would like to find a way. There's got to be some metric where you can kind of extrapolate out and try to figure out. You know. Okay. There
01:52:53 are 1.2 billion white people globally. Although, what are they counting as white? Parts of Latin America. Yeah. Yeah. That's not paid. Let's say 1 billion. Does that seem fair?
01:53:12 I don't know. Let me let me see if there's any kind of number I can find where there's some.
01:53:30 And then 1% of 1 billion is still 10 million.
01:53:36 Yeah, but I think it's less. I think it's less than one 1% If it's if
01:53:41 it's half a percent, it's 5 million. I'm
01:53:45 trying to find out if there's any kind of political polling data or something about self-identifying white nationalists or something that we can look at.
01:54:01 And now we're all connected because of the internet. I think that this is-I don't know-I'm feeling pretty good about things.
01:54:08 Let's see here. We got best guess: 10s of 1000s of organized, active participants worldwide, and and low millions who endorse the core idea when asked in surveys. What surveys? Blah blah blah blah blah. Okay, most groups are tiny, single digit, low dozens. Realistic formal membership across U.S. groups is probably in the low 10s of 1000s at most. If you add Europe, Australia, Canada, scattered other global organizations, still well under 100,000. That's
01:54:49 formal organization. That doesn't mean anything. How many people are listening to our show while they're doing their right
01:54:53 right? No, but it's trying. That's just that's just one category. It's trying to add up different. Like it's trying to come up with a better. Guess here, broader support. Blah blah blah blah. It doesn't really, or doesn't have a number. So let's hear a 2000. Now this is a little old.
01:55:18 A 2021 nationally representative survey of non-Hispanic white U.S. adults found that roughly 6% endorsed a description of white nationalism or nationalist beliefs after being given it. So, in other words, they're not asked if they're white nationalists; they were asked certain things, and then they so they they weren't scared off by the the the label of white nationalists, but that's the thing. Some of those people wouldn't get no, but that's what I'm saying. That those people, they'll as soon as you tell them it's white nationalists, they're like, you know, and they run away. You
01:55:53 don't know that. That's a huge supposition. They're asking about core belief systems. So 6%
01:55:58 6% The statement cover white demographic threat, blah blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah. So, well, I'll tell you what. By that estimate, if that estimate is accurate, and that's the United States, that would translate to roughly 8 million people.
01:56:18 That's amazing. That is so many people.
01:56:20 That's more than I thought. If if that if that's accurate, that's more than I thought. It just seems like because I think the reason why it seems like this is, and by the way, I think that unfortunately there's a lot of people though because there's a reason why I asked you people that you think are that is are as red pilled as you are specifically is there's a lot of people that call themselves white nationalists, and then they fuck because they watch Nick.
01:56:46 You know what I mean? Like I'm a white nationalist because like I watch this gay Mexican guy, and it's like, well, you know, like I'm getting in, like literally getting into fights with people who call themselves white nationalists, whether or not someone who's like a quarter Mexican is white or not.
01:56:59 It's like then you're not. You're not a white nationalist. If you think that's white, then what what what what demographic are you preserving exactly? Not people.
01:57:09 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so I ask Rock based on how many whites in the world there are non-Hispanic, and 6% are sympathetic to white nationalism, and they each convert five people to white nationalism. Well, how many people is that?
01:57:21 Well, that's that's a big if. You
01:57:24 can't. Everybody can't convert five people. What do you think is reasonable? One person.
01:57:32 Ah, well, I don't know. Well, what's the what's the get get the starting number, and then and then all you do is times that by five or whatever once you get the starting number,
01:57:42 well, no, I want I want to do multiple generations here. Okay, so let's say they each convert one person, which is those are weak numbers, guys. Like everybody should get at least one of their friends on board. I don't. I
01:57:53 struggled get my mom to fucking.
01:57:56 That's a unique case, though. You've actually you've you've probably converted 1000s and 1000s and 1000s of people to white nationalism.
01:58:05 Maybe over a decade, yeah.
01:58:07 So that's 100 million people. If if in the world pop the white world population, non-Hispanic 6% from your data are sympathetic to white nationalism. They each convert one person. That's 100 million people. If those people convert one person, how many people is that?
01:58:28 Well, here's the thing.
01:58:30 Yeah, we talk
01:58:30 about on this show a lot how behaviors biological, and I think that there are some biological hard coded behaviors within white people specifically that prevent them from being white nationalists. I think that that is something that we need to come to terms with the the lowing group preference, the attraction to the out group. I mean, there's study after study showing that you know famously that go viral from time to time, where it's like, oh look, when white people take a survey asking which race they prefer, sometimes they actually prefer a different race over their own.
01:59:14 In fact, that's you know something that you often see with like liberal women and stuff like that when they take that survey, whereas no other race does that. Now some of that you could chalk it up to propaganda and whatever, but like some of that's just biological, hard-coded nonsense that white people have to come to terms with. And so that's and there and there's a number number of other things. There's religious components that make it really difficult to be race first, you know. Like you can't have if you have the majority of white people practicing a religion that tells them that, you know, that that we're all God's children. That that becomes that's not insignificant, you know.
02:00:00 But who cares about these people?
02:00:01 No, but I'm just saying, like I do, because if you're going to be at war with them, like you have to, you know what I mean? Like that, it's one thing to say, oh, could like you know, let's like this number that you're trying to come up with by doing the math, like let's say 10s of millions of dollars, dollars people, 10s of millions of people are going to be able to-I don't know what-what take over Haiti or something. Like, what are we doing? What are we doing with these people? You know, like, what are we going to do if, like, the whole rest of the world, like, if we're still the minorities in all of? We're going to get
02:00:37 together and we're going to create fortified fiefdom.
02:00:43 Where in Antarctica?
02:00:44 No, I mean you've driven across the United States. There are like well, yeah. That's why I'm Seattle to Colorado and in White. Plus, I think we we should do that
02:00:54 in the short term. Absolutely. There's that's what I'm saying. Is like I think that in the short term is what white people should be doing is looking at ways to acquire land and quietly do that, but I'm just saying, like, what do we do in the long term in terms of like, if we're up against this genetic behavior of all the other whites that's basically anti-white? Eventually, yes, that will get bred out because of the proximity to diversity. That, but we're talking like centuries.
02:01:22 Yeah, but we we have to keep we have to keep moving forward. I mean, we have to write a new story for ourselves. Sure, that's that's it's what we have
02:01:30 to do. No, and like I said, I'm not black people than white people. That will happen, and there will there will be white people that are just have like extra high in group preference as a result of being the only white people not breeding with all the other fucking mutt people around him. So I get it, but I'm just saying, like, if if I think there's a lot of white people that think that, like, in 20 years or in 30 years, you know, there's going to be like some white Wakanda somewhere, and that's just like, nah, probably not.
02:01:59 No, no. I mean, we need to have realistic expectations here, but I think we're gonna make it. I don't think that we're gonna be in in imprisoned by Jews and surrounded by Black people. Like, there's no way we're already
02:02:13 surrounded by Black people.
02:02:14 That's no, no, no. But like, I don't think we're gonna be. Yeah, really. This is not how the story ends. The story doesn't end
02:02:24 with with with us being overtaken by low. No, if I thought that,
02:02:29 I I wouldn't even bother. I wouldn't even do this. Yeah,
02:02:31 yeah, yeah. We would all drift into a life of hedonism. I mean, the very existence of our YouTube channels is evidence that we're resonating with some people. Now, I haven't had any growth in like seven years, so there's that. But I think some of that's algorithmic, and you know other forces at play here. But there are 126,000 people that will sit here and listen to me talk about Jews.
02:02:54 Yeah, I mean I don't know. I like that
02:02:58 counts for something, Devon. It counts for something. People, the audience. Honestly, part of it is part
02:03:02 of it is I'm like I'm like right now I'm like extra black pilled because I've I've just been researching immigration data for like two weeks and you need to come
02:03:11 to Cordellane
02:03:12 I need to I need to I need to like frolic with white people at some point it's it's
02:03:18 amazing it's it's just it's an amazing place to be.
02:03:22 Yeah, I've just been, I've been, I've been up to my eyeballs in this fucking research, though. It's, it's, it's. I'll tell you, it's the story of how we got here is is so. It makes your blood boil because it's so clear that the founding fathers and the initial white people that we descend from wanted this country to remain for them, their their families, for their bloodlines, for their descendants.
02:03:50 It's written in the fucking preamble of the Constitution, you know. And it's so obvious that even people like Jefferson, like Lincoln, knew that the differences between black people and white people were biological in nature, and they said as much. It's it's in writing, you know, and it there really wasn't a a demographic shift until like around the the 1850s when we started letting in like the the potato famine Irish and then like some of the Germans came in around the same time, and then it was just like the floodgates opened after the Civil War, excuse me, and and then like when we let in all the Eastern European Jews around the turn of the century, it was just like it just like it's just been snowball.
02:04:41 Like it, it, you, it's amazing how dramatically they were able to change. Because you look at the backgrounds of all the people instrumental in this stuff, and and they're almost not always, but they're almost all of immigrant background, and you know. Whether they're Jewish or Catholic or whoever, you look at the backgrounds of everyone that you know, like Hart and Seller, both you know, one Catholic, one Jew, both immigrant backgrounds.
02:05:10 You know, you look at even the people that were fighting the, in fact, including Emanuel Seller, who obviously finally got his way. He was fighting the immigration restrictions from early on when they they passed Immigration Act in in 1924 to stop people like him from getting into the country, and so but because you know you let a bunch of people in and it doesn't just stop there, just like with this Mexican thing, right? You let in a bunch of Mexicans to pick oranges and then give citizenship to their children, who can then, once they're 18, start doing chain migration of their entire extended family, and then once their extended family gets citizenship, they can do more.
02:05:56 You know, like that. That's been ongoing. That hasn't stopped. They haven't put a stop to that. You have the numbers are just-I mean-to go from even in 1965, when like the damage was already pretty severe, when we were down to I think 85% white people by 1965, and like pretty much all decades before that, hovering around 90, to get to that to below 50 with this generation, I mean that's that's not an insignificant hurdle.
02:06:30 That is that is massive. And I will tell you, like I said, the other thing that's blackpiling me is even all these people that on Twitter who call themselves white nationalists and watch my show, and watch your show, maybe, and all this other stuff. I'm getting into arguments about people who are like who aren't white being like, well, just let's just let them in. I'm like, that's you stupid nigger.
02:06:51 That's exactly what people said to let in the. That's what caused the problem. You know, it's like, have you not? You have. You haven't even learned. It's like, well, come on, let the white race. You know, can we have some wiggle room on that? It's like, no, you, you dumbass. Like, that's why this this happened. It's because someone had a based fucking black friend and a based Jewish friend. And come on, let's just let in this Jewish family. Come on, just let, and like that's what what's wrong with you people.
02:07:19 And that's the thing: is even these people that are supposedly the most race-conscious people that are in my audience, some of them, it's like they don't get it, and it's like, what the fuck is the problem here? Like, and that's what I'm saying is, is the the the gene pool in America is just such a fucking mess.
02:07:40 It's just such a fucking nasty soup of trash jeans at this point that it's like, what are we gonna do? Anyway, I'm just naturally a Debbie Downer sometimes, but I've been I I'll tell you what I'll I'll send you the I'll send you the thing that I'm working on, and you'll see what I'm talking about, and just don't just try not to shoot yourself in the in the in the head after after you see anything. It's it's not a happy it's not a happy project, but
02:08:12 I'll read it and edit it.
02:08:14 Available available for available for for everyone soon with that happy thought,
02:08:25 let's do some super chats.
02:08:27 Oh yeah, super chats!
02:08:32 You know it's funny because I think you're too black-pilled, and I think Cameron's too optimistic, and I'm just getting pulled apart.
02:08:38 Well, look, I'll admit I'm kind of I am in like a first of all I already kind of trend more pessimistic but like obviously right but the the going it because there's just some things that like when you start to read like the same story happening to white people over and over and over again, and they just never stop it from happening, and and it's just like, what's wrong with us? You know, it's like when you see them flooding more and more immigrants in, and then like they finally they're like, it's a problem.
02:09:16 We got to do something quick. Call it Operation Wetback and throw some Mexicans on a bus and like we won, guys. And then it's like, no, we didn't. Like look look around. Like you didn't win. Yeah, you didn't get the job done, and you know you didn't do it thoroughly enough. And then once you never went after the fucking farmers, like they never get the job done. Or like with your like I said with Reagan. Reagan was just like, oh yeah, there's 3 million Mexicans are legal, but don't worry, guys.
02:09:42 We're gonna start cracking down on employers, and never did it, never did it. Yeah, they never fucking did it, and so they just made 3 million Mexicans legal, and and like that's not gonna affect the demographics permanently, you know, and so that's that's what I'm talking about is like. You go back in history, and not once, not once was there like a like there was all it was always like how can we slow this down? Never, never once was there anything done to reverse it, and even when they did things to try to Hitler was
02:10:13 not that long ago.
02:10:14 Hitler wasn't English, and Hitler wasn't American. But we
02:10:18 were just talking about the international forces and how we're letting go of the American project. I'm telling you, this is this is in us.
02:10:25 But look at the Germans. They're they're almost fucking worse off in terms of in racial consciousness than Americans. You know, like fuck you. Just you even just say what you just said. You go to jail in Germany. You know.
02:10:38 Yeah.
02:10:38 And so that's things need
02:10:40 to change. Things are going to change.
02:10:42 Anyway, Devon, it's
02:10:44 gonna be it's gonna be okay, Devon. It's gonna be okay.
02:10:48 I'm telling you, when you read it, yeah, you might change your mind. I know we're in
02:10:53 trouble, but but I'm just not attached to America anymore. So yeah,
02:10:58 yeah, it's a shame, but I mean, I I've been thinking about that too. Is like you know my ancestors at one point left their homeland to go to somewhere new because they want because I'll tell you one thing I do have I do have the explorer gene, and and so hey you know if it comes down to it and I got to go somewhere hey fuck it I'll do it. All right we got let's see here pork chop says replay gang. Have you two seen the Young Washington film? I loved it. It shows white excellence, but also has the usual Indian grievance and lies. Wish we had Young Washington deport Wetbacks today. Have you seen that?
02:11:35 I haven't. I
02:11:36 haven't seen that. I don't even know what that is. So maybe I'll to take a look at that, then we got Gorilla Hand says you did an insomnia stream a month or two ago on a on homeless people. There's a Chris Chan type YouTuber named Danny Larson has schizophrenia and autism, but his chat sends him money do to do crazy things. He's not a likable person at all, but he came from a fucked up family and was neglected. Just shows how fucked up our society is that people take advantage of him. Also has suspicious physical features. There was a
02:12:18 Black Mirror episode about that.
02:12:21 Yeah, I don't know who that is either. Did I do an insomnia stroll on homeless people? I don't think I. I don't think I. I don't think I do insomnia stroll on homeless people. I. I don't know. I. I can't think of maybe a homeless person. I can't think of what it would be. Ah, then we likes to watch says just wanted to avoid being a filthy freeloader. Thanks for doing the show, even even or show even with blonds event. I hope it goes well. Cheers!
02:12:53 Thank you so much. I really appreciate it.
02:12:57 Then we got Tomohawk. We easily could have taken all of Mexico, but we decided to be nice. I'm dead serious. Yeah, no, we easily could have taken. But here's the problem: if we had done that,
02:13:09 yeah, then we'd have to deal with all the Mexicans.
02:13:11 It'd be like Puerto Rico, like only you know worse because there'd be like a billion more of them. The only way that's the thing is people need to. I mean, white people need to to learn the lesson, the demographic lesson. Hopefully, some of them are learning that if in the future you decide to go take over something, make sure nothing's left.
02:13:30 Yeah, yeah, really.
02:13:33 No one left. You know, I'm not saying to kill them all, but they can't stay there. Or you can kill him, whatever you know. All right, then we got anomalous Canard says replay gang checking in on finding others in the wild. A while back was catching up on an old friend that I hadn't seen in years. Always thought he was a lib, the subject of bees came up. He mentioned that he listens to a podcast by a beekeeper who lives in the desert.
02:14:08 I responded, I was glad Churro was okay. I guess you never know when a related topic topic might connect. Well, there you go. Maybe maybe you guys are white pilling me. Maybe you guys are white pilling me. There's randos out there that you're encountering. I, I, I've wondered that. I've wondered if, because like I'll, I'll interact with someone in the public who seems like the kind of person that would be, you know, in the audience. And I'm, I always wonder, like, have I met a pill popper before? Like, have I?
02:14:41 No, sometimes people will just let you talk like they don't know who you are, and then tell you later. That happened to me at the park a few weeks ago.
02:14:48 Ah, well, there you go.
02:14:50 They were like, Well, what do you do for a living? And I was like, I do political podcasting. They were like, Oh, we're big fans of Outlaws.
02:14:57 Well, there you go. There you go. Yeah. Yeah, it's funny. Well, I I I once I was I played a game that had voice chat in it a couple years ago, and I hadn't. It was it was, well, I'll just say it was DayZ. So if if this guy's out there, he'll know. But I I hadn't played DayZ in like it's it's like it's like a 12-year-old game now, and my friend was like, Hey, hop on this server, and it was like I think it was like around Thanksgiving or something. Like I had nothing going. I was like, Ah, fuck it. I still got it on Steam or whatever, right? Install it and got in there.
02:15:33 And I get in the server and has voice chat. Like you can walk up and talk to people, and I walk up to some guy, and I and I I'm like hey what you know what's up, and he he he just looks at me or his character does and then he says you sound like a podcaster, and I without well without missing a beat though I acted like I didn't know what he meant by that and I was like oh yeah well I I just you know I have a really good microphone like trying to make it sound like oh I'm not wearing a gaming headset, so I-that's why I sound like a podcaster.
02:16:03 That's why my voice sounds so good, you know. And and then I just like changed the subject and then like ran away. So if you're out there, dude, on DayZ that thinks you might have talked to Devon Stack, you did. That was-I think it was a couple years ago now, all right. Then we got. Let's see here. Oh, gigantic dono, gigantic dono from Herp Derp. Hey, very much appreciated, Herb Derp, especially after Saturday. For fuck's sake, guys! Saturday was a fucking nightmare, Herb Derp says. I personally don't care about the donation chat threshold myself, as the more you guys are reading, the longer you're you you the longer you're kept talking. It does make sense if you're on a time crunch, though. Replay gang. Well, I appreciate that, Herp Derp. Look at that, Herb Derp. Thank
02:17:04 you,
02:17:05 doing the heavy lifting out there.
02:17:07 That's so cool. We really appreciate it. Summer months are tough as a streamer.
02:17:12 Yeah, no, especially you know, and honestly, just generally, like I saw before we went live, Elijah Schaefer tweeted out he just wasn't even going to do the show tonight because he's like, no one, no one cares about politics right now. My my hosts don't care. I'm just not even. We're just not even going to stream tonight. And so I'm like, ah damn. He's having a
02:17:31 unique problem.
02:17:32 Yeah, yeah. He's he's going through something. But like you know that. But I feel like it's not limited to just us. Like I feel like there's a lot of people that are experiencing people that are just burned out on it, and it's just summer too. It's summer. Why not? Why I fuck? I mean, why not go outside? In fact, the weather out here is amazing right now. Believe I mean it's hot, but if you're used to desert heat, then it's
02:17:56 no white people should be used to desert heat.
02:17:59 Wait, time about ever here about Lawrence of Arabia? Come on,
02:18:02 whatever. This is this is nonsense.
02:18:04 Part of part of our our genome. No, you should want
02:18:09 to live in a bog like the rest of us. No, we
02:18:11 we are desert conquerors.
02:18:13 And 60 degrees. I'm like, what is this?
02:18:16 We are desert conquerors. All right. Then we got Wonder Lost says we took it from the Max the Mexicans. All right, let me enjoy the. I live on land that my ancestors took from the Mexicans. They're just like yoink on
02:18:30 this barren wasteland filled with giant spiders and scorpions and snakes
02:18:37 and nobody should
02:18:38 live in.
02:18:40 Yeah, and yeah, land snakes for sure, and churros though. So, Wanderlaw says. Meanwhile, 70 years later, a 90-year-old farmer's beneficiaries will sell to developers. FYI, his daughter picked veggies as a teen, quickly transitioned to being a lifeguard. There you go. I don't get the lifeguard part, but you know, there's that's the thing. Is a lot of these yeah, a lot of these farms now are just these big conglomerates.
02:19:11 There's, in fact, some of them are foreign. There are agricultural areas around where I live, sort of, that are not of this continent in ownership. Then we got Drafwark says Rebecca's comment about homogeneous white countries reminds me of the time I asked Grok to name the best multicultural country, and it replied Iceland.
02:19:43 Yeah, I doubt that's true.
02:19:46 Yes. Then we got Night Train with a generous dono says Operation Brownout is a go. Yeah, we should have like a Operation something.
02:19:59 I like it.
02:20:01 Operation Brownout. All right, then we got words or words. No, you're you're below the threshold, but you did say best dream on the internet, so I'll say that. Thank you. All right, then we got Denise the Celt says we don't need mestizos. We have plenty of Negroes, attack dogs, and whips. Yeah. Well, that's the thing. Is it the? I mean, look. That's part of. I was like I said. I was. I was researching demographic data and just the Hispanic population in the United States, especially like in California, Texas.
02:20:43 I mean, well, Texas is already fewer white people than Mexican people. I'm pretty sure. Obviously, New Mexico, I would think, is probably right there too. Arizona, Nevada, maybe. I don't know to double check, but it's already like the the Mexicans have already pretty much taken over Mexico. They're they're pretty much taken taking it back. They've already taken it back. All right, then we got Tomahawk says garbage men used to make a shit ton of money back in the day because nobody wanted to do it. Exactly.
02:21:20 Yeah,
02:21:21 exactly, and that's and but because I guess you know Mexicans wouldn't do it either; they had to just pay more. All right, we got the Great Wajite says I have family members who do this. They have a small construction business that's 100% Mexican labor, they're diehard Christian maggotards, and they have many expensive toys. We don't get along. Many such cases, many such cases. Yeah, I and and like look, I've I've known people too that have complained about immigration.
02:21:56 They vote Republican, and then they they want to do a home improvement project, and they go pick up illegals outside of Home Depot. So yeah, that's that's what I'm talking about. Then we got Book Track Groove says the history of orange juice is crazy. Orange frozen concentrate is better than carton. You can water it down so it's not high in sugar. Been researching breeds of cotton, and yes, there is a difference.
02:22:27 There, there is a difference in different kinds of cotton. That is true. The orange juice thing. If I'm going to drink orange juice, which is so rare because it's like it's like you're eating 20 oranges, that it has to be super concentrated orange juice, fresh squeezed with tons of pulp. Otherwise, it's like, what's the point? What's the point?
02:22:47 All right. Then we got yo Jimbo Rockford says, Hey Devon, I heard you discuss your own experiences with the power of prayer. I have heard you tell about your experience with the divine interventions in saving a man's life, yet I think your critique of Christianity is a valid one, and I don't see it as inherently anti-Christ or anti-Christianity. You're just identifying a glitch in the software, and I have to agree. I think Darby Scofield dispensationalism is a big part of that glitch, and is a huge problem.
02:23:25 If anything, I think is galvanizing to rigor of my faith and gives me a intellectual challenge to square. He's given $10 for each one of those, by the way, to square the circle and smooth the cognitive dissonance. That being said, I believe in the eternal soul, and I think you have a good one. I pray for your safety, prosperity, well-being, and salvation. You or give your sainted mother a hug for me. She seems like a genuinely sweet lady. Catch y'all on the replay. That was that was like super super fucking nice, yo Jimbo Rockford.
02:24:06 That was really nice of you. Yeah, look and and yeah, I I I acknowledge the the role that Christianity has played in white history. I mean, it was basically the white religion for like 1000 years. I get it, you know, and and it's it's with a heavy heart that I make these criticisms because it would be so much easier for me in a lot of ways to just embrace it, and you know, I just yeah, I I I'm just too autistic. You know, I I look for I look at systems, I look at systems and I look for how they work and when and how they don't work, and that's just what I'm doing. I'm just identifying a problem with the system.
02:24:51 And we're I I don't want to speak for Devon, but I'm trying not to throw the baby out with the bathwater. So problems with Christian institutions that are run by men and adulterated by men. It's not an. Indictment of God, so I try to think about that when I'm feeling like really lost in my faith journey. That this really has nothing to do with God.
02:25:10 All right, can you take over just for half a second? Churro like won't show up, and I have. Oh, I knew
02:25:15 I heard Churro. Sure.
02:25:17 All right, hang, hang on. I'll be right back.
02:25:20 Blue Boy says, Have you ever heard of the original Hobbit cartoon? Not the one from the '70s. In the '60s, some Jew got rights and made the shittiest cartoon in history while screwing over token. Maybe streamworthy. I'll mention that to Devon. No, I've never heard of it. Shell Beach said, It's not that they care more about money than race is that they don't understand or appreciate that their whole entire race really is being wiped out. It's not real to them. It's just just abstract. That's true.
02:25:49 I mean, the people that we talk to on the internet already have some idea that this is an ongoing problem. But at some point, the reality is going to hit people in the face. It it has to, and that's kind of where Devon and I differ. People can ignore these things for a long time, for a lot longer than I previously anticipated. But it's a virtual inevitability that people have to accept what's going on demographically, especially as their lives become increasingly dangerous. Also, I think we have a spiritual desire to To reconnect with our ethnic heritage, and that's innate to us, and that is is something that I find very reassuring that we don't have a lot of value in our lives, and that we're always striving for or to reestablish that kind of connection.
02:26:38 So that makes me feel a lot better. Let's see, Paladin, big donation. Thank you. They are importing the immigrants for military purposes today too. Yeah, that's definitely true. The rest of the ones on my end are to Devon. Come on, guys. Even my my fans aren't my fans. They're fans of Devon. No, I'll take it. I'm I'm extremely grateful. Let me reload this. Trey says golf movies movies review love the insights. Second asked to review movies movie heretic. Also, Rebecca, good movie to help you pull back towards agnostic.
02:27:15 It's easy once you understand religion is a controlled program. Golf movies review, love the insight. Oh, review the movie Heretic. Okay, I see. Capitalization, punctuation, commas, people, commas. I need commas in your super chats, or I have no fucking idea what you guys are talking about. Okay, are you getting
02:27:39 nonsense super chats while I was gone.
02:27:41 Yeah, yeah. Okay, but I understand. Review the movie Heretic. All right, noted. All right, let me do one more, and then we can go back to your end. Paladin, YYZ. Come on, Sims. Blonde's voice sounds weak. She's looking pale. Her pulse is thready. She needs compliments. Stat. Compare her to oceans. Tug on her pigtails. Show her your frog collection. Our girl needs some love. She's fading.
02:28:08 Yeah, in the beginning of the chat, because I'm always I'm always simpating my audience because I'm 38 and I'm like, all right, before before my clock runs out, which is like imminent, I need to amass all of the compliments so that I can cruise through the rest of my life without killing myself, and so I was like, Has anyone else noticed? The no one's noticed the massive amount of weight I've lost. No one noticed. Like, come on, guys! It's not a massive amount. I did lose 10 pounds though, and I'm very proud of myself.
02:28:36 Ah, nice.
02:28:38 Yes, I'm not a I'm not a large person, so 10 pounds is like is like a ton through intermittent fasting and going to Pure Bar five times a week. It's been a fucking nightmare. I don't understand. Pure Bar is like cardio Pilates. It is so hard. It is is high interval intensity training with weights and then Pilates and then some valet and it is just, it is just, it's just brutal. It's just punishing. It's punishing and brutal, and I don't understand how people are like losing massive amounts of weight easily, like losing 10 pounds. It was two months of no cheating, 1200 calories a day, 124 hour fast a week, like almost cutting out carbs, like no sweets, and then really intense exercise five days a week, and I've only lost 10 pounds.
02:29:30 Well, like like I said, though, it's that it's it's if you weighed like 300 pounds, you would have lost that 10 pounds like in like a few days of doing just not eating garbage. You know, so it's it's it's more like once you get down, like once you're already kind of trim, like to lose that last little bit is, you know, because your body's fighting hard to hang on to that. Because it's like, but what if there's a a famine? We're gonna need that 10 pounds, you know. Well, yeah,
02:29:56 and I think my body's having this like going out of business sale where it's like. Get pregnant one more time, bitch. Like you can do it. Like maybe two more times, and so it's hanging on to abdominal weight. Like
02:30:07 there you go. Yeah.
02:30:09 You know, pregnancy messes everybody. Everybody up. I hate these posts on. I see these posts on Instagram and Twitter all the time. Like pregnancy doesn't mess anything up. My body is exactly that. Like shut. Shut up, everyone. Shut up! Like pregnancy busts your body open like a like those cans of biscuits. It's just a disaster. Just fucking mess. Getting getting things back together has been truly one of the most difficult things I've ever done in my life.
02:30:36 Yeah. No. Many women never recover. Never recover.
02:30:40 Yeah, and it's it's been a lot of work. So notice me, see me. What what does he say in in Mad Max? Witness me. There it is. There it is. All right. Do you want to finish yours?
02:30:52 Yes, we got. Let's see here. Professor Chaos says, Hey Dev, from your experience, do libertarians only support creative destruction policies so long as they hurt whites? Because I've noticed they never apply creative destruction to farm labor.
02:31:13 Yeah.
02:31:15 Well, that's the thing is the the libertarians that I worked with. The reason I stopped wanting to be a libertarian is it became increasingly obvious that it was a it was basically and I say theology and I mean theology it was a theology of self centeredness you know and and at like your benefit at any cost, and and so which included open borders, which included you know for any reason right, and so and and it was such a la la land.
02:31:57 And look, the only people that I ever knew who were like really like really believed in libertarianism were people that were ultra rich, who had never not been rich, right?
02:32:10 Or they were people that were still young enough to think that someday they were going to be rich, and so like this was a way to like you know prepare for them to like for when they had millions of dollars and they wanted to hire I guess like endless Mexicans to work on their farm or whatever I don't know, but ideologically they were like they had the same mindset of as the rich people and just didn't realize that was still never it was never going to happen but you know um but yeah libertarians suck that's also part of that's included in my my little project here.
02:32:45 All right. Well, next up we got Gorilla Hands. Gorilla Hand says, I hate to say this, but we need a black swan event such as a pandemic, asteroid impact, or nuclear war. This would be a selection event, and only the strongest and smartest survive. I swear to God, Cheryl, I'm gonna murder you. I let him in, and now he's like, Man, I want
02:33:10 to go outside. Oh, why does he want to go outside? It's so hot there.
02:33:14 It's because I think he just realized that the sun's going down a little bit, which the temperature drops like 10 degrees when that happens, so he's like, Oh, I get to go out and kill a bunny. He is dragged. He he kills full ass rabbits and drags them into the house.
02:33:32 Oh my god! Through through
02:33:34 through a cat door, like he, I I have this little room that he has. That's because sometimes you know to keep him away from things that he might pee on, yeah. And he he has this little cat door smelled like a tiny cat door, but my God, can you hear him?
02:33:49 Yeah. Oh yeah, I can hear him. I can keep going on my end.
02:33:53 All right. Yeah, let me go kick him out real quick because he's not going to shut up.
02:33:57 Okay. John says, Devon, please post your streams to your Substack. I will tell him I actually did not know Devon had a Substack. Devon has a Substack. Lauren says Devon just needs to watch Zulu again. I will report that to him. Shell Beach, if I thought that all was at stake here was America, I wouldn't care about any of this. But Devon is wrong. If the white man doesn't remember himself, then there will not be a single true-blooded European left on Earth in 100 years. That's absolutely true.
02:34:31 Don't you think it's within all of us? And I think this is what Devon is is missing. That this is innate to us. Like like white people want to know who we are. We're curious individuals. We're we we self actualize. We we really do as a culture. That's why we have so much excellent literature and art, and we care about physical beauty. And so our desire to self actualize is it resonates with people. That's why Devon is wrong, and he. Sucks, and we all hate them.
02:35:02 What? I just got back. What are you guys talking about?
02:35:05 No, somebody says you need to watch Zulu again. That you just need to watch Zulu again, and then somebody said to put your posts on Substack.
02:35:15 The what? The the strings.
02:35:17 You have a Substack.
02:35:19 Yeah, I I made one because I was going going to and and actually I might maybe I actually have something I could post there now, but I was writing something. Look, I'll just tell you one. I was writing something that was going to actually start as a Substack post that ended up it's a book now, and so it's a it's literally a book that Details the the it's a nonfiction book.
02:35:46 It talks about the demographic decline in the United States. It talks about a a firm definition of what white should mean in the American context. If we're going to be white nationalists, you can't just be like, well, you know, this is maybe he looks kind of white or whatever. It's like let's you gotta have you have to define it. You have to say what it is, and so and no one ever does. So I was like, here's and here's here's a here's a definition of what it is, and here's a defense for why this is what it is.
02:36:18 I also talk about you know homogeneous societies and how you know the benefits in terms of like actual output and creativity and social. Yeah, it's it's it's a it's the the the the working title is Why White? A Purity Spirals Spiralers Handbook, and. so that I'm almost done with it. I'm almost done with it, and I can't wait to be done with it because it's very blackpiling to research. How long have you
02:36:51 been working on this?
02:36:53 For a few months, and it's it's it. Like I said, it started out. I I wanted to write an article on Substack that that was to make the case of why like a norm like something that I imagined a normy white who is sympathetic kind of like the people we were talking about like the oh if we could turn you know each person turn five people white nationalists someone that's sympathetic to hearing about why it's important to not just be a civic nationalist that actually care about the racial component, and I wanted to to appeal to a person like that, write an article that was not like you know because Hitler's cool or you know just like actually have like real pragmatic fact based reasons why race matters in a way that would make sense, and it just turned into like, I mean, it's it's like 40,000 words now, so it's uh it's not like some massive book, but it's you know it's a handbook, it's a purity spiralers handbook.
02:37:57 Do you know what we love about you, Devon, as your fans? You're not my colleague. I'm just, I'm just your fan. You do things so completely, partially because I think you might be undiagnosed autistic. But when you start something, you finish it, and it has to be done correctly. And that's just just the greatest.
02:38:20 It's actually pure mental torture if you have it, though. Just like, just like it's never done. It's not done. No, it's not done. It's not good enough. It's not good enough. But, but no, that's how. That's kind of how it started. Because like I wrote it, like, and the more I'd be like, but what about this aspect? But I have to explain this. But I have to explain this. I haven't talked about this yet, and no, no, no, no.
02:38:42 And in fact, it just keeps. In fact, I had one. I was going to have just a quick chapter that is now the longest chapter that was gonna that was going to talk about you know how the founding fathers meant it as like a country for white people, and and and lay out why, and then what happened, like what went wrong, but then that's why I got so black pill is that's the one I the the chapter I've that is the closest to complete is the long also the longest one by like a a lot, and it's because it's just like this fucking parade of obscenity, like a parade of demographic obscenity, of just you know, it
02:39:23 needed to be done then.
02:39:24 Well, no, and that's the thing is, I think that if if you if you're an American that thinks like, oh, we can just vote for you know JD or something like that, and he'll he'll throw the Mexicans or whatever you know whoever whoever you think is going to fix it. I think once you read that chapter, even you'll just be like, Holy shit! Like, how the fuck? Like, fuck! Like, because as I was researching it, and I already knew some of this stuff. I mean, look what I do for a living. But there's some of this stuff where I'm just like, God damn, really? They did what? What? Well, god damn.
02:40:00 Why?
02:40:01 Yeah, and then and then, like I said, I talk about also just like some of the mental hangups that white people have and the psychological reasons for it. Because, like I said, I want like a a normal white person to be able to read this and be like, okay, this logically makes sense. Like, I this has nothing to do with, with there's no religious, you know, like it's religious neutral, you know, like you could come from any background. Although I do talk, not everyone's gonna like that chapter.
02:40:34 I do talk about universalism, but you know, I I wanted it to be palatable to even you know a very devout Christian, so I'm not like a dick about it. But I do point a stuff out. So yeah, it's it's it's mostly done, and so I gotta I gotta run it through. There's a couple, and plus I gotta fact check it because there's some things I some of the facts I got from AI, so you always you know never trust that. So I got to double check some of the the names and dates and and things like that before I send it off. We're excited.
02:41:12 Maybe you can publish with Analog Hill.
02:41:14 No, I'll send it to them. I'll let them. I'll let them do it because I can't publish Amazon. You know they ban me. So
02:41:20 what? Yes, I knew that.
02:41:22 Yeah, yeah, and in fact, book two because that's that'll be that's pretty much that's very close to done too. I I was in like write writer's mode the last week and a half, so I've just been not. I haven't all asleep, and so I've just been, I've been just been writing like a psychopath until the sun comes up. So my
02:41:52 lord, Devon.
02:41:54 But yeah, I'll I'll I'll shoot it over to you. You can tell me if if after you read chapter One.
02:42:03 Yeah, I'll do my best after the event. I should be a lot more free. So
02:42:08 yeah, it's long. So yeah. Anyway, or do you still have yours, or is it me?
02:42:16 I'll have to reload. Go ahead.
02:42:18 All right, over here we got. Book. Well, it's being a book. Book track grooves says, Devon. Let's do some debugging data exercise. Ask each type of Christian about Judges chapter 19 through 21 and Romans 812 through 36. See what their response is. I'm not sure what those are. Should I look them?
02:42:45 Me neither.
02:42:46 Do you know what those are?
02:42:48 I bet Dave Riley knows.
02:42:51 What is this? Should I look it up?
02:42:55 Yeah, I guess so. The amount of self discipline I have to have to not talk shit. The
02:43:03 summary is depicts the moral and social collapse of Israel during a period of the judges illustrating the chaos that ensues when everyone did what was right in their own eyes due to the absence of a king. The narrative begins with a horrific incident in Jabia where a Levite's concubine is raped and murdered by a mob, an event that mirrors the sins of Sodom and Gomorrah.
02:43:29 The atrocity triggers a civil war between the tribe of Benjamin and the other Israelite tribes. Although the coalition initially suffers defeats, they ultimately destroy most of the Benjamite male population. The final chapter addresses the resulting crisis of surviving Benjamite men needing wives, leading to tribes to commit further sins, such as attacking Jabeshgalah. I don't know. This just sounds like Harry Potter shit to me. So, all right. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe I'll. Do you have anything to say about that?
02:44:03 I don't. No.
02:44:05 Okay. Then we got Wonder Loss says Harold Covington came to the closest on a plan to take back a portion of the U.S. via his series of fictional books on the Northwest Republic, Great Reed, the Hill of the Ravens being the first. I think I've heard people mention those books.
02:44:33 Maybe I'll check them out. Yeah, I mean, look, here's the thing: it's it's not impossible. I just think because it's impossible to know what kind of black swan event it would even be. I mean, because there's so many things that could be that really and really, what's important is what's good for your family right now too. I mean, that's more important than than trying to figure out what's going to happen in. Years and so, what's good for your family right now is I think establishing a a living situation where they can be around other pro white people, and or as I've said before, you know, raising little John Connors for when Skynet finally finally comes for us, you know.
02:45:23 Yep.
02:45:24 So, all right. Then we got Book Track Grooves again. Says Blood and Devon on the race pilled here a better on the race pilled hear a better data point. How many companies is race pilled? That is in normal business like bookstores, coffee shop, steel manufacturing, and farming.
02:45:50 Hold on, you typed this little weird book track. I'm trying to limit the cipher this. How many companies is race pilled that is in normal business like bookstores, coffee shops, steel manufacturing, farming? Are you maybe he's saying like that? There's like small business owners that are race pilled. I'm. sure though. I'm not sure if that's what you're saying.
02:46:25 Out here a lot, a lot.
02:46:29 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, but also he mentions manufacturing and farming, which is not race build because they're hiring all these Mexicans. So I'm not sure if that's what he's getting at. Ah, yeah. Look, I mean, here's the thing. Like I said, I think to some extent, some of these farmer types-they know they-they know that the Mexicans working for them are not going to be discovering the cure for cancer, or you know what I mean. Like they-they-they-they look at them like like children to some extent, you know.
02:47:03 Like these are, and they have a fondness for them, maybe, you know. But if you know, if the rubber meets the road, would they want to live? They might think they don't. Maybe they just don't think beyond their own personal fulfillment. And I think that's the problem too. Is a lot of white people can't. I mean, because we lived in a mostly white country for so long, it's hard for them to conceive of what things will be like when we're a minority. Well, we're gonna find out. Zoomers already are are finding out. They already kind of know. Rivers of Blood says, Thanks again for using my stream suggestion. Here's some shekels for your hard work. Well, I appreciate it. Thank you so
02:47:47 much.
02:47:48 Yeah, and always, yeah. If you got good suggestions, as rivers of blood obviously did, then send them in. Send them in. All right. Let's see here. Scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll. Love. Oh, we got love and a vision says, What do you guys think about Save Europe Act started by Eva Vlardingbrück?
02:48:16 I know. I don't know how to say her name.
02:48:19 I don't know. And Antoine Dressy, perhaps. What? What do you get? What do you think? Which are
02:48:25 those names good? I don't know anything about this.
02:48:28 The Save Europe Act. Let me look up and see what it is. I I like I've said. I've always thought Europe has a better chance because they don't have like centuries of demographic rape to contend with. I mean, if you go back far enough, I guess they do. It is the.
02:49:03 Savior Act is a European citizens' initiative launched in late May of 2026? It's framed as the first explicitly patriotic blah blah blah blah blah blah blah immediate moratorium on non-European immigration, secure external borders, a Europe-wide system of re-immigration, removal of pull factors like welfare, access, etc. explicit recognition of the ethno-cultural continuity and identity. Like this, that's exactly what you need. But that will it will anything happen with it? I don't. I doubt it. The European Commission would
02:49:42 need more severe solutions at this point,
02:49:44 right? The European Commission has already signaled it will almost certainly refuse official registration. So there you go. Yeah, that's why. I mean, it's symbolic, and you know, is that it's not bad because it gets people talking, but it's yeah, unfortunately. That's what I'm talking about. Is we're in a situation where the elite is working against us, and that's that's a problem. That's a problem.
02:50:11 All right, but thank you very much, Love and a Vision. Then we got Draf Work says, ironically, it's getting to know, or it's getting to know about other cultures empirically that make me racist. Yeah, well, I think that happens to some people.
02:50:29 You know, what's weird though is there are, like I said, I feel like it's because they they view them as children. Like when you see these Christian missionaries that are in some third world shithole, and it's almost like they're treating them like like their dog, you know, dog people that are like all like they're like always kissing their dogs and like oh my do do do dogs like you see these Christian missionaries in with the third world people and they're kind of like that's like the attitude right like oh look at this oh look like watch give him give him a give him a can of soda watch he he he doesn't he thinks it's like a fruit or something, you know.
02:51:02 Like that's. Have you ever seen that? Like they act like they're fucking pets. So, and I feel like they have affection for them like that. And I don't know what you do with that. Draw fork says. Oh no! I just said that one. Then we got Simbey. Simbey says, Love and Division suggested that Whites need a virtual white nation. To that I say, join my Minecraft server and build it up. Let's go! Alright, Simbey's got a Minecraft server, and he's got a was it a Doom mod or a Wolfenstein mod? He's got. He's got.
02:51:44 It might be a Wolfenstein Wolfenstein mod where you get to play as the good guys. Then we got Paulo Eagleton says White Solidarity is what we need. Definitely. Yeah, that's look. That's honestly that's what I see as part of my job: is to get white people to understand that if it's not about race, then what are we even doing? Like, what are we even mad about? Let's just all become IQ supremacist libertarians. Ripping Mad says June or June just turned in. Did you guys remember to do the ad read this time?
02:52:26 We did.
02:52:26 I think you forgot last time. Yes, we did. Yes, we did. Night train says the fate of the white race rests on Rebecca's public speaking. Don't blow it. If you do blow it, then the white race will cease to exist, and all of your children will be damned to a hellstorm of. I'm I'm making all this part up. But he did say that first part about the fate of the white race.
02:52:57 Oh my god! It
02:52:58 it's if you if you even so much as you know mess up someone the pronunciation of a word or someone's name, yeah, not a good not a good thing for white people. Professor Chaos says Operation Spix in the Pit. I kind of like that. Kind of like that. What about like? What about like? Trying to think of something good. I feel like it has to have like, like it has to something about it has to imply that there's machinery involved. You know,
02:53:42 yeah.
02:53:44 So, or some kind of, some kind of like massive conveyor belt that leads to fire. I don't know. I got nothing. People in check can think of something good. All right. Then we got Tomahawk says I would argue that Christianity was a net positive when we had homogeneous societies.
02:54:04 Quote: Love your neighbor as yourself, end quote. It stops working when it includes all nons. Well, that's that's kind of what my observation is: is when your neighbor's a illegal immigrant, it becomes problematic. My cock 420 blazing. says we need to utilize roof holes for the undesirables more often.
02:54:28 Agreed.
02:54:30 I think our immigration plan should involve roof holes. All right. Then we got Draf Work says Rebecca. I apologize about my about my number of beast joke. It wasn't directed towards you. The world is a better place with you on it. No creepiness or simply intended. Yes, you are beautiful.
02:55:00 I don't know. I don't know what you're talking about, though. So I wasn't offended. The
02:55:04 beast thing.
02:55:06 Yeah.
02:55:08 666. All right. Then we got scroll scroll. Oh, we got another very. Oh wait, is this the same one?
02:55:18 Did he send it twice? It came up twice on my end too.
02:55:20 It might just Rumble just sometimes shows it twice. It doesn't mean that it okay, but just in case herp derp, just be aware it it says you sent it twice here because that is a so if you get
02:55:34 charged, just let us know and we'll send it back.
02:55:36 Well, they usually Rumble can do it too. They usually do it pretty easy, from what I understand.
02:55:42 Okay,
02:55:42 but I think this is-I think it's a glitch in how it displays it.
02:55:47 Okay, good.
02:55:48 But just in case, herp dirt heads up. All right, then we got-I think that's it. You got any more?
02:55:58 I do. Let me reload really quick. Okay, we have. Let's see. Dan D says, What do you recommend if I do identify with white heritage but wouldn't pass the purity test? I have a little immigration in my past, but mostly European. You look great, Rebecca. Well, if it's mostly European, it's fine.
02:56:26 Well, depends on what you mean by mostly. What are we talking mostly?
02:56:29 Yeah, really.
02:56:31 Like, is 60% is mostly, but that's not that's not why. Look, here's the thing. Does that? First of all, we just need we need to have a standard. There just needs there needs to exist a standard of what it what what white means, and it can't be this loosey goosey thing. And and will it exclude good people who identify as white? Absolutely. Any any definition short of zero, that'll be the case, you know.
02:57:02 And so, if you're trying to preserve a genetic group, then you need to have that genetic makeup as how you define that genetic group. Otherwise, what are you doing? You know, are we trying? Are we trying to preserve white country songs? You know, like what we're trying to preserve the white race, and so necessarily they're going to be people who don't fall under whatever any definition that you come up with.
02:57:31 And does that mean that we're going to burn you at the stake or throw you in a pit or or whatever or even give you shit? I mean, maybe we might give you a little shit, but look, realistically speaking, it's not like we're going to have some white ethno state where we're going to be in any position to throw you out anyway.
02:57:47 But if we want to have be white nationalists with a clear definition of white, what white is, some people are going to be excluded, and not everyone's going to like it. And but that's the problem: is if you, it's like think of it this way, because I don't think you would argue with this. If you wanted to have, and and one of the reasons why we don't in the United States anymore, if you wanted to maintain a white supermajority, then you would have to put a number to it. And because we didn't put a number to it, it was always just whatever you could argue was pragmatic in the moment, and so now we're going to be less than 50.
02:58:24 We basically are less than 50% in our own country, and it happened relatively quickly. Why? Because we didn't put a number to it. We didn't say somewhere in the Constitution or elsewhere the country must maintain a demo. Let's just say 90% It had to be. You know, it's hard coded. If we hit, if we hit the number 90% all immigration has to stop because it constitutionally protected amount. Does that mean that everyone that would have come in otherwise would have been bad? No, but it doesn't matter.
02:58:56 In order to preserve that 90% that number has to exist, And so, yeah, that's that's just the way it is. And so, if you have you know ancestry that's not white, then you just don't you don't fit in the the category of what we're preserving, quite frankly. And I'm not saying that to be a dick, you know. Like part that's part of your story, but that's it doesn't matter. Like like if you want to preserve, if you were a dog breeder and you were preserving a specific breed, and like let's just say you bred Chihuahuas, and then you had a Chihuahua that was like half German Shepherd, or I don't know how that would happen, but like in fact, that'd be kind of a crazy dog.
02:59:43 But as crazy as that dog would be, you wouldn't want to let it in the kennel with all the other ones because here's the problem: not only does that genetic characteristic exist in that individual, the genetics of that dog, if you let it in the kennel, would then. Persist for every generation afterwards, and so you wouldn't just be diluting the population in terms of now there's a dog in the kennel that's not a Chihuahua.
03:00:09 You would be diluting the the genetics of every generation of of Chihuahuas that followed, and in that you do that enough times, then no one's white, and it literally becomes that episode of South Park when the people come from the future, all this weird kind of brown color.
03:00:28 So, if you want to make sure that if you want to ensure that that white people still exist in a in 100 years, 200 years, 1000 years, then you have to you have to define what white is and stick to that that standard, and so that that's that's that when people get mad at purity spiraling, it's like you don't actually want to preserve white people, is what you're saying, and you're kind of demonstrating why we need we need to draw the line, because as much as you might be sympathetic, you are more concerned about your own interest, your racial interest.
03:01:01 Yeah, I mean, just look. I'm not trying to be a dick, but you are demonstrating that the fact that you are more concerned about your own biological racial interest than you are of actual white people, because the even though your genetics will alter white people, you can't. You won't just be like, oh, that sucks. It's a you know, it sucks for me. You want to change the whole standard so that it includes you, and just we can't do that. And again, it's not set out of hate. It's not set out of like I'm better than you or or anything like that.
03:01:35 But that's just the way it is. I want to preserve that actual Genetic group, and so that's that's like in the book that I was talking about earlier. Like I I I define what a minimum standard would look like in America. What's realistic, because obviously in America you couldn't.
03:01:55 Well, even within Europe, no one's like 100% really anything, right? There's there's always genetic variation even within populations, and so you know there's there's but there's still got to be a line drawn, and I think I think people will like like what I came up with because it's it's not too harsh, but it's not too too lenient either.
03:02:19 Live chat says, Devon, we're breeding German Shepherds and trying to keep the Chihuahua DNA out. That's right.
03:02:25 I guess I went the other way around with that. That's true. That is true.
03:02:31 Let's see. Lore Fair says I don't turn the podcast volume down when I roll down the car window. That's a start. He also says extra black pill. The average body fat of American men is 30% and for women, it's 40% Good lord!
03:02:44 Yeah, that sounds about right.
03:02:47 I'm down to 21% 21% I feel terrible. I feel like shit all the time. Let's see, Dan D, Dan, we just answered your question. You sent this twice. Sorry, Dan. Sent me an email. I'll send that money back. Tuffy, banana, big donut. Don't feel insecure, blonde. You're loved by more people than you'll ever know. I'd be at your New York City event if I wasn't money maxing as a contract road warrior. Thank you so much. Thank you. I get by on the on the compliments. That's what that's what fuels me because I don't eat anything anymore. Fr three three no note thank you Paladin also says for awesome weight loss benefits I recommend rucksack into the oldies. Maybe Devon can get you a copy of the DVD.
03:03:40 That's a joke. What is that? Rucksacking.
03:03:43 Yeah, I don't even know what that is. It like camping?
03:03:45 No, it's like you get a rucksack. You well, if you want to be hardcore, do at least 50 pounds on it, and then go hike up a mountain, or or or whatever. Ruck march. You know, I I I you know I I don't do 50 pounds, but I'll I'll go into the desert with my rucksack from time to time. I I'll even camp out there. Some not this well, actually, this time of year probably kind of nice, but there's so many snakes and shit out this time of year. Nope,
03:04:13 that sounds no, absolutely not. Under no circumstances am I doing. I'm gonna keep going to my my pure bar class where all the women are impeccably groomed wearing full makeup and $300 of workout clothes and their engagement rings, and that is where I'm going to work out. It's the most competitive workout environment that exists in the world. I'm convinced
03:04:33 they're all trying to get skinny for their wedding or something, or
03:04:36 no, we we just compete with each other. It's just you know you can't quit because there's a bunch of other women there that are hotter than you,
03:04:43 and they're all like coming at you. They're all like, yeah.
03:04:46 You face the mirror. There are mirrors in the front and the side, so you can really see your body at all angles. It's a fucking nightmare. It's tearful.
03:04:56 Sounds like some kind of weird Black Mirror episode.
03:04:59 The tubing enthusiast says, Day of the Rope Book Two and Devan's declassified demographic survival guide. The same year, hell yeah! Thanks, guys, for keeping me safe in these crazy times. Rebecca, you're gonna do great at the New York City event. Thank you so much. I think I'm good over here.
03:05:14 All right, we got a Xfield Marshall says you'll be fine, Rebecca. If not, we'll have something to poke fun at you when you stuff up, you're gonna blow up like a balloon. Book track Groove says, Devon, it's worth or it's worth trying to ask on those passages. Blonde, I got some research photos. You might that might help. DM me if interested.
03:05:44 Cool, thank you. I appreciate
03:05:46 it. Um, well, I'm not sure the passages, or he's the one that sent the Bible passage earlier, but I'm still not sure what the context is. I'll look up. Maybe I'll look at the actual wording of the the verses themselves. Now, Rocco d2 says thanks for the stream. I don't want to defend a beaner, but the reason the left turned on Cesar Chavez and called him a rapist 75 years after the fact is because anti illegal immigration.
03:06:16 Well, well, that's the thing is he a lot of people don't realize this. Pretty much all labor obviously would I mean it makes sense but all labor unions were anti immigration because of the obvious reasons that it it drives wages down and it it makes it so labor unions have no power because they'll just be their strikes will be busted up by the illegal immigrants on like that like Cesar Chavez was discussing.
03:06:49 In fact, Bernie Sanders of all people used to be very tough on immigration. Rocco D2 says, Remember, I remember hearing you say Irish were barely white. Break that down. Did I hear you wrong?
03:07:03 Well, look. Mostly in jest. I did procreate with a German Irish man, which I do consider an intermarriage. No, I'm just joking. I love the Irish, but you know they did they did cause major problems in America when they came here, huge problems, as was demonstrated in our last stream, or the stream before that, one of our streams,
03:07:27 right? But genetically, well, not all of them, but genetically, they cluster very close to the the founding stock Americans. the The religion was was quite foreign, and the culture was radically different. So there was those were the the big issues that are will never be 100% resolved because anything like that, anytime you dump you know hundreds of 1000s of anybody into any population, even if they're genetically similar, you're going to leave a mark.
03:08:04 Like there's obviously Irish, you know, fingerprints now on the the the the squeaky clean sliding glass door of America, right? They got little grubby little fucking finger marks all over it now, but and and that's probably where jack o' lanterns came from, and maybe some other weird shit.
03:08:25 But no, but like you know, I look the the the contrast between the Irish needing a few decades to at least somewhat settle down and and not because that that that level of criminality to not persist forever like it has with blacks you know what I mean and so that's that's that's the point is that like with with the closer you are genetically you can come to an equilibrium at some point but the further apart you are genetically the the less likely that will ever happen, and so even even with the Irish, there was a a difficulty, but we were able to more or less overcome it because of the genetic closeness.
03:09:17 Um, all right, and that's which, by the way, that's also explained in the book. In fact, I posted a tiny piece of that book in response to Zoomer Historian, who was literally talking about that the other day. And I happened to have just finished that part of that chapter, talking about the Irish versus Black people. And so I was like, Patah! Screenshot post! So some of you guys saw that on Twitter. That's what. If you saw that, that's what it is. It's um, it's so almost done. It needs some heavy editing and fact checking, but like it's the structure is all there, the meaning is there. All right, I think we're I think we're all done over here.
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