Outlaws： Episode 20, The Author and the Murderer - 07/22/2026

00:03:18 You're watching Outlaws with Rebecca Hargraves and Devon Stack.
00:03:26 Hey!
00:03:28 Hello, welcome to Outlaws. I'm Rebecca Hargraves.
00:03:32 And my thing's not working for some reason.
00:03:35 What thing? Your little non-face face?
00:03:38 My little talky thing. I don't know why it's not working. Let's see here. It was working a second ago.
00:03:43 We always have tech problems. And then I was supposed to, I was supposed to have my adjustable mic stand here today, and now I just have to like have this alien schlong in my face. Hold this alien schlong to my face this whole episode.
00:03:56 Yeah, yeah. Looks like, yeah, and it's black.
00:04:02 It's blue.
00:04:04 Looks, but it looks black. You know.
00:04:07 Come on. So, let me tell you about my trip to New York, Devon.
00:04:12 Let's hear about it. Here, let's hear. Let's everyone gather around. It's story time with Rebecca about her her journey to New York.
00:04:22 I did an event in New York. It was it went very well. It was my first public speaking gig ever in the history of my life, and I was so nervous. And it went fine. It's amazing what a perfect outfit, what kind of confidence that will that will give you if if you are worried about something, so it went fine. But I saw not one but two nogs jerking it. Two. Oh,
00:04:49 nice.
00:04:50 Yeah, it's like it's like a it's a multicultural hellhole. There, it's so much worse than the last time I was there in 2018. Like I didn't feel like I was going to get murdered. But it looks really bad. Like the city looks really, really bad. There were places that I was in, in like Midtown, where it was like five to one minorities.
00:05:10 Well, I mean, it's not even just the. You got to think of it this way. Unfortunately, because obviously a lot of a lot, a lot of New York, I would suspect, is tourists, and as the rest of the world gets browner, the even the tourists are gonna-they're not gonna be like the, you know, the people from Europe that like wanted to go see New York City. It's gonna be the people from Ghana that wanted to see New York City.
00:05:33 So the population worldwide is is just getting browner, and so any urban area is just gonna be like that. Last time I was there was 20. I don't know. I want to say like 2015 ish or or maybe like around there, and it was already pretty bad because I mean I stayed like in a not great. I mean I didn't have much money. I stayed in a not so great part of town, but yeah, it was wasn't what I I but where I was where I just I mean I stayed at a shitty town but where I was was mostly Jews and white whites because it was I had to go to some event Gilbert Gottfried was there
00:06:16 and then I went to a bagel place like the only time in my life I've ever wanted to see Jews, and it was Mexicans.
00:06:23 Mexicans running the bagel place. What
00:06:26 the fuck is this? What is happening here? Anyway, the event went really well, except there was this one piss drunk Italian guy. He he was so fucking shit faced, and I was like, "Who is this? And then you know, he's like, "Girl, let's go to this uh this French restaurant down the street, and I'm like, "All right, like this guy's driving me nuts. He's Zig Heiling and stuff. And I find out later that it was Eric Stryker. I had no idea.
00:06:50 Well, there you go, Eric Strike, drunken Eric Stryker.
00:06:54 He he was really funny though. He's got a big personality.
00:06:58 That's so everybody
00:06:59 was vouching for him and stuff, and I was like, "Why? Like, what cachet does this guy have? I went through the entire event not knowing it was him.
00:07:06 Well, there you go.
00:07:07 And I've seen War Strike. I don't know, man. When you see people from the internet in real life, it's always like they always look different. Not bad, just different.
00:07:20 Three three dimensions will do that for you, you know.
00:07:23 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, welcome to Outlaws. Everyone's always shorter
00:07:28 in real life. I've noticed, like when I work when I worked in TV, I would I would you know like I worked the morning shift, but I would see the the night shift people, but I wouldn't see them at work because by the time because I left, I left the station before they would start popping in there, and I go work at my my bouncer job. And one night, I I had like the the technical director was wasn't going to be there, and everyone was like a foot shorter than I thought they were on TV. It was crazy. In fact, shit, you know, this is a real story.
00:08:02 The the the the the weather guy was like a was like a four foot 10 Jew, and I was working. It was before I I knew who he even was. I was working the door at this bar, and and it was Halloween, and he shows up and he's wearing his suit because he just got off doing the the weather, I guess, and I I carded him, and he got really pissed off because he's like, "I'm the weather man. I was like, "How do I know you're not just some kid in a suit? It's Halloween, you're dressing up like an adult, and he got so pissed off.
00:08:34 And then I ended up letting him in because the sports guy who was the sports guy. They always are though. The sports guy is like the exception. He's always, you know, they're always like almost six feet tall, and and so I let him in. But that's just how it is. Like like, what's his face? Mission Impossible guy is really short too.
00:08:53 Tom Cruise, yeah, yeah,
00:08:55 he's like five foot nothing or something like that.
00:08:57 He's five foot six.
00:09:00 Yeah, that's.
00:09:03 I don't know if you're really funny. I think you can overcome it.
00:09:08 You have to be pretty funny at five foot six.
00:09:10 You got to be real funny. Yeah, it's a bummer. I feel for short men.
00:09:16 Yep. All right. Well, what are we talking about today?
00:09:21 We are talking not the Mexican American War. What the hell outline am I in? We are talking about here we go the right one. Well, we're we're somewhat talking about Henry Abbott, but really we're talking about prison reform. That's that's really we're talking about German,
00:09:43 and we're talking about people going against the death penalty, also, or maybe you didn't see that part of the outline I updated a little bit, but I'll weave it in. I'll weave it in.
00:09:56 Yeah. Okay. So this. Guy, his name is is Henry Abbott, and he was born in the '40s. He's half Irish, half Chinese. His mom was probably a prostitute, and then his family abandoned his. I know his family. His father abandoned the family after that. So he was. I would too.
00:10:19 Which what? Look at that! Was his dad the Chinese or the the Irish?
00:10:24 His dad was the Irish.
00:10:25 Oh yeah, he that that Patty went. I I would have run for the door too.
00:10:30 And so he was partially raised by his prostitute Chinese mom.
00:10:34 Oh great!
00:10:34 But he he was mostly in the system, so he he had like what they called failure to adjust. He was in and out of those detention centers and wilderness academies that we've discussed, reform schools in Utah, and later he was sent to Utah State Industrial School for Boys, which, by the way,
00:10:50 looks awesome. Have you seen
00:10:52 it? They probably got like a way better education than any. It's a fucking
00:10:56 castle. It's a castle. It's a castle in like this beautiful Utah wilderness area. Like,
00:11:04 yeah,
00:11:05 this is this is better than any private school I've ever seen.
00:11:10 Yeah, I mean, he claims that they mistreated him, which is probably true. But it's like your mom's a hooker and you're a delinquent. Just you know, just let him do the stuff as long as you,
00:11:21 well, yeah, the funny thing is, I didn't know about the the Chinese part till you you just said that. For some reason, I I somehow missed that part. But this, I guess, in in the same way, this stream is also about Jews trying to stop the death penalty. It's also about race mixing now.
00:11:38 It is. It is race mixing. That is true. So after he left this Utah detention center, he was only out for like six months. Then he gets arrested for forgery for stealing and cashing checks from a shoe store, and he got five years at Utah State Penitentiary, which which seems fair. That seems fair to me. I mean, you go in for five years, you probably get two if you're behaved well,
00:12:03 right?
00:12:03 But while in prison, while he was in prison, he stabbed a fellow inmate, Matt Christianson. No, I'm just joking, James L. Christiansen, who died, who died, and so he said that it was because the guy was trying to rape him, but apparently it was just some squabble over. Yeah, he threw
00:12:23 water on him.
00:12:24 Yeah, it was just some stupid. I actually
00:12:26 found some some articles about this. So yeah, so this is from the original local reporting, and they talked about you know how he basically that if you read the article, he threw water on him, and Abbott freaked out and stabbed him to death. And in fact, when he went to go have his initial hearing, he he like threw a little fucking tantrum in the courtroom, and they they had to decide whether or not he was competent. So this is here a sanity hearing for Jack Henry Abbott, 23 of Salt Lake City, was in session to determine whether Abbott was competent to stand trial on a charge of assaulting a fellow inmate at Utah State Prison, as Doctor Roger S. Kreiger, senior psychiatrist at the Utah State Hospital, testified.
00:13:18 I saw a picture of him. He, you know, looks the part
00:13:21 that he was testified that he was saying he he seized a glass and hurled it at Doctor Kreiger. Doctor Kreiger hastily took cover, noting that Abbott did have marked hostile tendencies. So he he attacks the psychiatrist that's saying that he's saying, but yeah, and then I found the article talking about him getting the the guilty verdict for because the guy that eventually dying, so yeah, they they found him guilty of of man. So he was
00:13:56 convicted of manslaughter, and he was given a concurrent three to 20 or up to 23 year sentence.
00:14:02 When when really they should have just at that point they should. This is my point that this is one of the reasons why our country is the way that it is. It's not enough that we deport all the illegals. We definitely need to do that. We need to start executing all the trash.
00:14:17 Yeah,
00:14:18 we need to start. We just need to start executing all the trash people. This guy is obviously a trash person. He comes from trash people lineage, like he's he's literally like Chinese prostitute potato nig spawn. I mean, how did you expect that equation to work out? And so he, but they gave him a chance, right? We didn't just abort him or throw him in the fire immediately. But hey, we we have found him wanting, and so now he has to go into the pitifier, and and and look the the cost to us, like the the the the idea that you're paying in tax money millions of dollars, you know, billions of dollars really every year to keep trash people alive. For no reason, like it serves no purpose. Do you want
00:15:03 to hear how much money he costs the taxpayers after this?
00:15:06 How much?
00:15:08 Oh, I don't know. I mean, but listen, he then his solution to this to escape from prison, and I couldn't really get any information on how he escaped from prison. Ted Bundy was able to escape from prison in the 70s too, twice. So it's like, what kind of prison security systems? Ted Bundy jumped off of the roof in the law library. Apparently, it was like really easy. And then the next time he climbed, he climbed through like a hole in his cell. Honestly, 30 pounds. And
00:15:35 it was probably a mix of honestly, it probably was still the the vestiges of high trust societies, just you know, people expecting that you wouldn't do that, you know, do that, and and also just the technology. There's no cameras, right? There's no
00:15:50 yeah,
00:15:50 there's not even like alarms to go off when you open a door. So yeah,
00:15:54 you
00:15:54 know, stuff like that. Now I did find I did find the article talking about talking about him escaping though.
00:16:03 Oh, really?
00:16:04 Yeah, this is one. It didn't really say how he escaped, but it just says bonds totaling $200,000 have been set in Denver for 26-year-old Jack Henry Abbott and escaped from the Utah State Penitentiary. Abbott has been charged with the $2,600 robbery Monday of the Capital Federal Savings and Loans Association with $53,000 holdup of the Western Federal Savings Institution on march 17, Abbott was arrested earlier this week outside a Denver hotel where he had been staying. Police say they are holding the two or two other persons in connection with the Western federal holdup, so he started robbing banks after he got it. Yeah,
00:16:47 and he was he was escaped for I believe several weeks,
00:16:51 right?
00:16:51 And so they were on the this massive manhunt for him. God knows how much that cost, but eventually he was captured and he received a 19 year federal sentence for armed robbery. So that tacked into that's a life sentence basically, because he was what he was born in the '40s, so he was 30 here, and then he has the 23 plus the 19, you know what is that 42, so he would get out in his 70s. So it's basically life. Anyway, so he begins corresponding with Norman Mailer, who we will talk about in just a moment.
00:17:32 But he was a writer and kind of prolific in elite intellectual circles, and he had written, or he was he was writing about Gary Gilmore, who was another murderer, and so he had this communiqué with with Gary Gilmore, and he wrote the Executioner song in 1980, which won the Pulitzer Prize for Fiction. So this was like a commentary on the American underclass and institutional failure, like like Norman Mailer had a vision for how he wanted this to go, and he was picking people that he thought would fit his his pre existing narrative of prison reform because he thought that criminals were made, not born. We'll talk about that in a little bit.
00:18:16 But Gary Gilmore, he over two nights he shot a gas station attendant twice in the head at close range while he was lying on the floor, and he also the next day he shot a motel manager in the same just execution style during a robbery. So he he went on a murder spree, and then Mailer was like, "Oh well, I guess this this is my story for now. This is this is a great
00:18:38 hero. Let's find the guy that just executed two innocent people who weren't resisting. Like he was, because he was robbing them. They went. They laid on the floor and and did what he said, and he just had to murder them by you know executing them. And but yeah, the the context really though was one of the reasons. I mean, it might sound like a bad example. Like why would you want to write a book that is an expose on the horrible legal system and and whatnot using a guy who's not very sympathetic? It's because there was a a 10 year moratorium on the death penalty, and they were going to execute this guy because he. This is when we were apparently we we were we were going back to our roots a little bit and said, well, why would we keep this guy alive? He just murdered two people that were innocent, and not only that, they were going to do it in the most based way possible. So this is him, by the way. While the press was trying, well, the Jewish press was trying to make him a hero. They were going to shoot him by firing squad. That's not an electric chair. That's literally a chair that he was strapped to while they shot him. So this was when we were fucking based as a country, and we were going to use a firing squad against a guy who executed two in a second. That's true. Yeah,
00:19:53 when we brought that back in Idaho, because I don't think we have it anymore. But I got to back off
00:19:59 your your pot. Like crazy, you have to back off it. Well, if I can put it down,
00:20:02 that'd be awesome.
00:20:02 Back, back up that off that alien cock for a little bit.
00:20:05 Okay, so when we brought this back in Idaho, we were going to something like that because they ran out of the drug for lethal injection. I learned that they do this thing where not everybody has a live bullet. They it's like seven guards or whatever, and so they all kind of share in the guilt, or there's plausible deniability, and you never know really who did it. I was like, why are we not doing this? This is so awesome, but it's less awesome because Gilmore wanted the death penalty. He requested it, and he knew it was going to be execution by firing squad, which I think is kind of a less terrifying death than lethal injection.
00:20:44 Well, I I just think that it's cheap. It's really like why would we spend money on gas chambers, electric chairs? A bull, one bullet's like a buck. Yeah, and
00:20:56 all the blanks too.
00:20:57 Yeah. Oh, okay. Like so, seven bucks, and we had it's taken care of, and look, I promise you that you'd be able to find people that would volunteer to do this. It's not like you you'd be forcing people to do something that they'd have to forever live with the nightmare of having killed a murderer, you know. Like there'd be people itching to do. I would sign up. I would sign up. Would you
00:21:21 really?
00:21:22 I would absolutely fuck. I'd sign up for all of them. I'd be on the way. Would that
00:21:25 mess you up?
00:21:26 No. How would that mess me up? I would shoot rapists.
00:21:30 So guilty
00:21:32 for shooting rapists in the face.
00:21:34 Yeah, I don't want that in my brain. I because you're still taking a human life. I understand. No, you're not with you totally.
00:21:40 No, you're not. I just
00:21:41 don't. I don't have it in me.
00:21:43 No, they're downgraded to like not human. I would kill so many people given the opportunity. I don't know. One time, I ran over a possum.
00:21:52 I ran over a possum, and
00:21:54 that's different though.
00:21:55 I I still feel bad about it, and it ran my car. It wasn't really because a
00:21:58 possum. If that possum raped people to death. You you probably wouldn't care though. That's the that that's the difference. Like I don't I don't I I feel bad like because I've shot rabbits that have been my property attacking my my cactuses and stuff, especially when I was first trying to get them grown and and so they would they would annihilate all my work in like a night, and so I went out there, and I felt genuinely horrible for like shooting these cute little bunnies in the face. But I had to be done, and and only reason I felt bad was because they they're just doing what they're supposed to do. Like you know, they're oh yummy a yummy cactus treat. You know, blam. You know, and then they're dead. And like you know, I so I felt bad, but like if if these rabbits were like raping and murdering people, I mean, come on, I would I would not have felt like even a little bit bad. I I would I would volunteer to be the executioner of like every every violent felon in the entire prison system. Just line them all up. I don't even I don't even care. I'll just. I will personally. I'll get the little thing that, like, in the No Country for Old Men machine that they use to kill
00:23:07 the cattle.
00:23:08 Line them up. I'll look them dead in the eyes. No, no fucking blindfolds. I'll look them dead in the eyes as I do it, one by fucking one. I don't give a. You know,
00:23:15 this is a life skill, Devon. I think you're missing your calling.
00:23:18 I would do it in a second. I would have no problem. I would have no problem. I mean, there's people I would I would want to erase that haven't even done stuff like that, and I would do that too, given the opportunity.
00:23:29 No, no. I mean, I want people dead, but I don't want to do it. So, well,
00:23:33 that's fine. I will take that burden off you of your hands. I won't make I won't make you guys watch. You know, just I'll I'll just build me like a like a warehouse kind of a thing with a conveyor belt where I stand on one end and like the busses arrive at the other end, and I've got that little cattle thing, and I'll just you know, that's it. And just long as there's like a big like pit for them to fall into after I you know you know hit them with the thing,
00:24:01 I don't know. Maybe it would affect you more than you think. But I, I suspect you're telling the truth.
00:24:06 No, I'm 100 being honest. I wouldn't care at all. Like, why would I? Like, there's it doesn't make any sense to me, even why anyone would care. And you can hear people that we. I can't even relate to caring about that. Like, that's how much I don't care. Like, that sounds weird to me that anyone would care.
00:24:20 No, I mean I see the justice in this. I I do. I just don't. I don't think women are typically killers.
00:24:27 What do you think? He's somebody's son. Yeah, fucking bring her on. Put her on the conveyor belt too. She she gave birth to that thing. We can't have that thing unless they're having
00:24:36 abortions. Then they somehow can rationalize
00:24:39 that.
00:24:40 No sterilization. We need to sterilize anyone. If you produce a murderer, you should probably be sterilized.
00:24:47 There's there's something to be said about the genetic component here.
00:24:52 Yeah, yeah. Well, I guess it had
00:24:53 to do with Judaism.
00:24:55 Well, well, I think in this case it's like well, not not in this guy's case the. Other guy, I don't know about Gilmore's family, but the other guy, it's Hoppa Rage. But yeah,
00:25:05 yeah,
00:25:06 Gilmore is just bad genes. I would have, yeah, put him in the pit and then sterilize his mother. You know, so she doesn't make any more of those.
00:25:18 You have one job, and it's to make your kid not a serial. Yeah, just just make
00:25:22 make one that's not going to be a murderer, and and we won't sterilize you.
00:25:29 God, of all these murderers, though, I hate Norman Mailer the most. I hate him more than I hate these other people that like killed in cold blood. I don't know why. I think it's like the the profiting off of the narrative, the false narrative that he created about institutions failing and this not really being their fault and not acknowledging the genetic component of criminality and blaming. Like there's something about him where I'm like, you're worse. The other people lacked impulse control, but this guy, this guy, he's he's just the worst. He's just the worst person. So of course he's Jewish. He was born in Brooklyn to Jewish immigrant parents. His father from where?
00:26:13 From where?
00:26:14 South Africa. Well, and Lithuania by way
00:26:17 of Lithuania, Eastern New York. By way of Lithuania, he
00:26:21 went to Harvard, and he got a degree in aeronautical engineering. And then he's like, "I want to be a writer. I want to rub elbows with all of these people. So he graduated in 1943, and then he was in the army. And he wrote a fiction novel called *The Naked and the Dead* which was published, and he was he was 25, and it was just a massive bestseller, like instant bestseller. And of course, I was reading through the synopsis because I'm not going to read this book, and it's like two of the platoon members are Jewish, and everybody's calling them dirty Jews, and it's like part of them dealing psychologically with like being the other and blah. I'm like, God, you just can't help yourself. It's like everything
00:27:01 they do is is that
00:27:03 right, right, right. And this guy was just a personal disaster. I think he was married six times, but his second wife. So he wants to run for is it mayor? Yeah, he wants to run for mayor of New York City. He throws a party, which might have been a birthday celebration for this boxer Roger Donahue, but I think he was using it as a way to promote his mayoral candidacy, and he separated the party into people that were for him and people that were against him, and he put his wife on the against him side, and then they get into some kind of fight, and he takes um, I don't, I don't really understand what the is. Some kind of knife. Was that like a letter opening knife?
00:27:44 Yeah, it was like a letter opener. Yeah,
00:27:46 it was like a like a small knife. And he he stabs her in the chest and in front of everybody. Like stabs her almost
00:27:53 fatally.
00:27:54 Almost fatally. Uh, yeah. So the first one in the and this is Norman Mailer. This is not one of the convicts that we were just. Yeah, this is the
00:28:01 author that was corresponding with the convict.
00:28:04 He stabs her in the chest. He might have punctured her pericardium, his her cardiac sac, or like got really really close, like almost right in the heart. And then he stabs her once in the back, and then people are trying to help her, and he's like, "Get away! Let this bitch die, and everybody says no. That's actual
00:28:23 quote. Get away from her. Let that bitch die is like an actual quote.
00:28:28 Yeah. So another Jewish psychiatrist. I don't know if you have a picture of this guy, but I'm sure he's really Jewish. No. So John Ladd Rosenberg.
00:28:36 Well, and the here's the thing. So this would have been like a career-ending felony. Like this would have been like attempted murderer. This would have, you know, this would have, you know, this would have been a stain on his record forever. But what happens? He goes to a Jewish judge, and a Jewish defense attorney, and a Jewish psychiatrist, and they they sweep it all under the under the rug, they swept it all. He's he's homicidal and suicidal, and and can't distinguish between fiction and reality, and and so they they threw him in a the loony bin for a little bit and and got the charges lowered, and then also his wife that he had almost stabbed to death, refused to cooperate to survive, and
00:29:25 she's like, "I'm not going to charge him because he's this he's this intellectual man. His temper just runs hot. She goes to the pit too. Sure, she's Jewish,
00:29:34 right? Absolutely.
00:29:37 Anyway, he also co-founded the Village Voice.
00:29:41 Yeah, co-founds the
00:29:42 Village Voice. He covers the the Kennedy campaign, the Pentagon march. Yeah, he he does all of this radical political activism in New York, and he was talking about city secession, so that they no longer had to be a part of. He wanted New York to to be like its own little state, basically.
00:30:05 Yeah, because at the time in New York, you still had enough normal white people in the rural areas to where it had had political consequences when it came to state elections. Yeah, and so he was trying to basically secede as like this little communist Jew city, like literally, that's what it was. So
00:30:22 that he could hang out with his Jewish writer friends, and they can do all of this true. You know, Truman Capote did this with In Cold Blood, and I love that book. But he was so sympathetic to the murderer that that truly in Cold Blood wiped out an entire family, like trying to understand his mentality. It's like, like no, he he broke into a nice family home to get like pennies on the dollar, just just just to get like so little money from the safe, and then just murdered an entire family in cold blood. And the entire book is about unraveling, you know, like the the more emotional, the softer parts of his psyche, and it was just too kind to the murderers. And it's like I understand where you guys are coming from. True crime is very interesting, but this thing of of trying to understand somebody that that lacks humanity, lacks impulse control, and to humanize them, it's it seems like a fool's errand, and it's totally misguided. We don't need to have sympathy for these people.
00:31:23 No, they just need to go on the conveyor belt.
00:31:25 Yeah, totally. He he was a prolific writer, though Mailer. He wrote 40 books, fiction, nonfiction, biography. He was into this this class of of novels where he was kind of blurring the lines between fiction and nonfiction, which I don't particularly like, I think that that's probably just a way that you can lie. Yeah, no, that's what it was. It was
00:31:46 post World War II propaganda. That's why. That's why he wrote the the wrote them as fiction, so he could put like weird, crazy Jew lies into these stories about World War II, and it was it was like Schindler's List.
00:31:59 Yeah, yeah. So he he wrote a bunch of books. You guys can look it up. None of them are really worth mentioning. Some anti Vietnam war novel, and then he he wrote a an interesting essay called "The White Negro, and so I was reading about this today, and the entire premise it's like about white hipster culture and how it lacks the spirit of humanity because it's not as close to truly living as Black culture, which is rooted in like sex and jazz and violence and like that's the truth of life. And so it's just ass kissing Black people because he thinks their primitive nature makes them more alive, more human. I'm like, really, because that's exactly what makes me think they're less human. Like you, shifty chew.
00:32:47 Yeah, yeah. So yeah, he he was promoting. Basically, it's it's literally a it's a promotion of Negro worship that was very appropriate for the era, and it's left lasting marks. I mean, you can see it even with the the new generation. A lot of people still preferring black culture over white culture, and having little black heroes. And and this is, but this was big, big. This was big time, beginning in the '60s. You know, right in the the melee of the civil rights movement, so he was just one of many, many, many, many, many Jewish activists trying to get white America to embrace black culture.
00:33:32 Yeah, and I notice that Jews they often tell the truth when they're trying to lie, and so he actually got a lot of criticism for his his racial consciousness. They were calling it because they were saying like, well, you are accepting that black nature has primitive elements, and that in and of itself is racist. So I thought that was very very funny how he was being eaten by his own for what he thought was like a really woke, going to be a well-received take on on race. Anyway, so he was married six times. He had eight kids, eight kids. I think one was adopted though, and he was just a drunk drug user. Public feuds. Somebody in the live chat I said said he got in some kind of fistfight with Rip Torn. Did you come across that in your research? I didn't see that.
00:34:23 No, but he was-he was an actor too. Like he-he-he unsuccessfully worked on in writing and directing positions, and then I know he played roles. In fact, I thought I had. Let me see here. I thought I had-I had written down some of these, yeah. So he had a movie called "Tough Guys Don't Dance" in 1987. Let's see here. Mailer wrote and directed this over-the-top neo-noir based on his own novel. It features Ryan O'Neal, Isabella. Rosalini and some of the most ridiculous melodramatic dialog, frozen stiff acting, and campy plot twists of the 1980s, and that's saying something. If it's the if it's some of the campiest stuff of the night, like the campiest decade of all time, severed heads, torrid affairs, and lines that sound like they were written while drunk, critics and viewers have long called it so bad it's good, unintentional. Yeah, I hate that's I hate that when it's it's just no it's just bad actually.
00:35:30 Yeah.
00:35:32 So yeah. Do you watch Red
00:35:33 Letter Media?
00:35:34 No. What's that?
00:35:36 Oh, those guys are great. It's a movie review channel that I've been watching for a super long time. But they have a show called Best of the Worst where they just watch bad movies. I always skip it, like like I'm never gonna watch this. Why why bother?
00:35:48 Yeah, I've never subscribed to the whole it's so bad it's good thing. It's like no, it's like like that's no one says that about food. No one's like wow this this dog shit salad is so bad. Um, it's starting to grow on me. You know, like no one says about anything else, and so I don't understand that because, like, it it actually hurts my brain when when like I'm consuming media that is awful.
00:36:10 Yeah,
00:36:11 I don't understand being entertained by it.
00:36:14 Well, how does this relate to Abbott? We should get back to that.
00:36:19 Right.
00:36:20 So he starts corresponding with Abbott, and I think the letters have been published somewhere because apparently they were really interesting and well well written. Oh, I know they, but they were also made into a book by Jack Henry Abbott called In the Belly of the Beast. But the individual letters, I think, in the Belly of the Beast was a lot of commentary too. But the individual letters, like the back and forth, they're in their entirety. They're in the New York City Public Library or something like that. But Mailer was deeply involved in getting Jack Henry Abbott paroled. Before we get to that, just just
00:36:57 because you mentioned the the letters, I found this when looking for stuff, they they actually did like kind of like the the vagina monolog type stuff, only with his letters. And this is this is this is right before we have a twist coming up in the story, guys. A predictable twist, but but this is this is right right before the twist, so Trinity Square dramatizes the Abbott letters, and so they're talking about telling the paralyzing truth of 19 years in prison. Jack Henry Abbott letters from In the Belly of the Beast speak with hoarse and horrifying eloquence. Norman Mailer was instrumental in having Abbott's letters published, and then in getting him paroled from prison less than a month later. There we go.
00:37:49 Yeah. Yep.
00:37:51 But we'll get to we'll get to the twist here in a second.
00:37:54 That's that's unreal that they would do that.
00:37:56 Yeah.
00:37:56 Well, it's not. I I totally I totally believe this. But he didn't analyze Abbott as in terms of recidivism. He didn't care about that. He was just like, "Is this because he grew up and he had this dysfunctional childhood and he was in and out of the system? Like he's my guy. This is this is the guy that's going to tell my story about prison reform. And he seemed unconcerned, totally unconcerned about recidivism. It's like, why would you do that? Because as soon as he relapses into previous behavior, it discredits Norma Mailer entirely. So, like, you really, really should be choosing people that you are pretty convinced are are not going to slide back into old behavior.
00:38:39 Yeah, but a lot of times these Jews are short-sighted. Like as much as they often do appear to have these long-term goals that they're willing to, because of their ethnic solidarity, invest the time into a lot of these guys who are on the. Because here's the thing: there's no there's no explicit plan.
00:39:00 They're all like emailing each other and following. It's not like Norman Mailer, you know, has like a a specific role that he's playing that's handed down from Jew Central. It's just it's in response to a genetic, biologically biologically coded behavior that he's just acting in the interest of his people, and so you're going to have those that just don't, you know, that that fuck up. And this is this is kind of, but if you think about it, there's never any consequences, right? When, and it's not just Jews; it's just the left generally. They have they always they have a really bad track record of picking martyrs that aren't actually just horrible people, you know. Whether it's his early Innocence
00:39:45 Project stuff, right?
00:39:47 Right. So, yeah, Innocence Projects, you know, same thing with the, you know, what's his name? What Stephen? What's what's what's his last name? Avery. Yeah, Stephen Avery, or the West West Memphis. Three, you know, like you have. I mean, this is this is the same kind of a thing where they. In fact, the funny thing that he brought because he he did have connections in Hollywood. He brought in celebrities like Christopher Walken was involved in trying to promote the idea that this guy should be freed from prison because he was, you know, given a raw deal, and and he was the product of you know society, and and we should give him a second chance, and and so all this dude
00:40:31 couldn't Christopher Walken stay out of it with his involvement with Natalie Wood's death? It's like after that, you shut your mouth and you just don't involve yourself in anything related to criminality. Shut up, dude! Although he probably had nothing to do with it,
00:40:43 or maybe that's why you double down, right? So,
00:40:46 yikes, yikes, yikes, yikes! So he and other literary individuals, people in his in his elite class, they were deeply involved in this parole operation, and they were writing letters to the parole board, and they just wanted him to get out, which is once again shocking to me because he had already engaged in recidivism. He had broken and he had broken out of jail, and he had committed armed robberies. Yeah, like the second he got out
00:41:15 of jail, he robbed banks. It's like
00:41:17 it's like, what do you think is going to happen when this guy is paroled? And it was successful.
00:41:23 Well, he attacked and he killed another prisoner in jail.
00:41:26 In jail, yeah, in jail. So I don't know what he thought was going to happen here. This was obviously short-sighted, but but it worked like like they do with the Innocence Project and and Kim Kardashian and public pressures. I think Kim Kardashian helped get Julius Jones out. the The prison board, the parole board, they were receptive to this, and they paroled Jack Henry Abbott in 1981. So it hadn't been but six weeks, and guess what happened? Guess what happened, audience. Abbott is at a diner.
00:42:02 He's with two women who, reading between the lines, sounded like prostitutes. And this young waiter, Richard Adon, is like, you can't use this bathroom. This is a staff bathroom, and so he ended up like leading him out to the alley, is what I read. Although that doesn't make a lot of sense, but that is what happened. They ended up in the alley together, and he murders him. He he just murders him. Yeah,
00:42:28 stabs him to death. In fact, here's a here's a crime scene photo. So a lot of blood, a lot of. Let me move it so people can see all of it. I guess. So it's not like he. Oh, it was just an accident. No, no, he
00:42:42 nope. Yeah,
00:42:43 brutally murdered a guy in the in the same fashion that he brutally murdered that inmate with him. So he's he's this to give you an idea of how soon after he did this after being released into the general public, the New York Times, having not heard about this incident yet, the next day ran a glowing review of his book in the belly of
00:43:10 the beast. Yeah, I mean obviously they had no knowledge of that this was he was responsible for this, and I mean how many murders happen in New York City every day. But it was the following day that this rave in the New York Times came out,
00:43:22 right?
00:43:22 Yeah, yeah. You just just stabbed him to death and and fled and fled the scene as as would be expected. And then there's another taxpayer funded manhunt. This one lasting eight weeks, eight week man manhunt, and he was captured eventually in Louisiana. So this was a national manhunt. Lord knows how much this cost. Just incredible. Yeah, and then he he goes to trial. I know you have a clip here.
00:43:53 Yeah. So this is well. First of all, obviously the press immediately mentioned the fact that well, Mailer looks like a fucking retard now because he spent all this time telling us to get rid of this guy after writing his big stupid book about how the death penalty is evil, and literally the right when he gets out he murders some innocent young waiter over literally nothing, and then we have to go hunt him down and arrest him, and they called him for comment, and he said he would do it again. He said he would do it again, and quote that culture is worth a little risk. Culture is worth a little risk, and later, even though like a lot of the historical record describes him as being very repentant and and apologetic, when I find clips of him talking about it, he doesn't sound like yeah, he doesn't sound like he's owning up to to what he did at all. I mean, he he says he owns. Up to it, just in the same way a politician apologizes for like raping a boy, in that he blames society or or some other reason. Like he'll say he says he says that he's he's regretful, but it's and then he explains why it's not really his fault. So here's here's a clip from him here.
00:45:21 I am not trying to avoid my own responsibility in this. I consider that. But how I would do it differently, I don't know. I had a debt to Abbott that was sizeable. mr. Abbott helped me a great deal with the execution of song. I can't understand Gary Gilmore better because of the letters that Abbott wrote to me, and Abbott wrote with a real generosity of spirit. He never held back. He gave me all his knowledge. Writers tend to be very stingy. He gave me all he had. When I say to him, "How do you want me to use? He said, "Use it any way you want.
00:45:55 What had happened is I showed his letters to other people, and they were printed in the New York Review of Books. They were wonderful letters, and then there was a book for it, Random House, actually, and the book came out, and you know, and he got out through the efforts of a number of writers, myself most prominent in that, and then his book came out about four weeks after he came out of jail. Well, I didn't feel responsible because I'd gotten him out of jail, but I felt responsible in another way because he'd been in jail for so much of his life that he had absolutely no habits for the outside. It was like being thrown into the Turkish army overnight.
00:46:32 So, see, see, he's like I felt responsible not for getting him out of jail, but also here's why my thesis is still accurate. That's why he did it. Like, if you're listening carefully, that's what he's doing. He's trying to preserve his his original thesis. Well, that got him out
00:46:46 of jail. But I felt responsible in another way because he'd been in jail for so much of his life that he had absolutely no habits for the outside. It was like being thrown into the Turkish army overnight. There you are. You're in the Turkish army. You don't speak Turkish. You've never been in the army before. You don't know what to do. So in that sense, I knew that Jack needed a lot of help, and what he really needed was somebody who would spend a prodigious amount of time with him every night, see him, live with him,
00:47:12 a babysitter, live with
00:47:13 him the way someone in AA lives with a drunk. You see, they're not only the big brother for the drunk, but they're with that drunk every minute that the drunk needs them. I wasn't doing that.
00:47:22 Or just execute him.
00:47:23 When the crime occurred, because I had just been hoping things would work out all right. When the crime occurred, I knew that I had a responsibility on that one. There's an attitude now in America. Let's bring on the law and order. Let's get rid of all these criminals, all these people who who knife people, who shoot people. It's too easy. Oh no, it's too late. Let me finish since I started this. The fact of the matter is that this this country right now is in a situation where the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer.
00:47:52 What?
00:47:53 And since we have had unstable social conditions for 20 years anyway, this is likely to aggravate them. If it aggravates them, it's going to increase the intensity of the demand for law and order, and if that happens, we're going straight toward fascism.
00:48:09 Well, he's right about that. But in the first clip, he says the most Jewish thing ever-that he had a debt to repay him because he supported his artistry, and that still is more valuable. Him knowing the outcome of this is still more valuable than somebody life of a goy. Yeah, exactly.
00:48:26 And then he keeps going on about like how how well it doesn't matter because fascism will. If you get mad about this guy, fascism will happen. And then it's funny because he goes on to say this about the fascism.
00:48:41 So I'll just say that those of you who keep yelling for law and order at all costs just recognize that what you're really asking for is fascism, and maybe you secretly want
00:48:50 it. Oh, it's not a secret, bitch.
00:48:54 Oh man.
00:48:57 Yeah.
00:48:58 These Jews, they just can't help themselves. It's like hard coded in their DNA to subvert culture and to create chaos, and that's really what his entire career was about-about chaos and his life too.
00:49:13 Yeah, and and trying to inflict it on everybody else, and trying to come up with excuses for bad behavior, because a lot of his earlier works too were, especially in the Village Voice, it was it was explicitly about dismantling the the Protestant white American tradition and trying to redefine it as a multiracial, multiethnic hellscape or utopia for him, right? And and so that that's anything at all that would that would jeopardize his his ridiculous political messages, even if it's someone getting. If you, it's your fault, and you better you better not complain or fascism.
00:50:06 Right, right, right. And in terms of recidivism, the idea it's so preposterous. Like you're not ready to live in society if you have to have somebody with you 24/7 stopping you from raping and murdering.
00:50:16 Right at that point, you go you get. Yes, initially you need to be in
00:50:20 prison. No, you need to be dead. Preposterous.
00:50:23 Like, why would and
00:50:24 AA sponsors are not with you 24/7? That's also not true. You think your AA sponsor just moves in with you when you're trying to get sober? I've never heard of that happening.
00:50:32 Well, it's just that if you can't be trusted to not rape and murder, there's no reason to keep you around. Like, there's no reason, and there's a lot of reasons too. Specifically, you you might rape or murder someone to get rid of you, and so I just don't understand. Like we we have come to a point in society where just nothing makes any sense anymore. I mean, it just doesn't add up. Like why don't we just put these people in a giant blender and and use it to fertilize crops or something, but anything but what we're doing. I mean, this is this is it's unbelievable that we spend millions of dollars to keep murderers locked up, and that we even give the opportunity for these Jewish legal organizations to to try to free them.
00:51:16 Yeah, yep, it's just an outrage. But you know he's he always reverted to form. That is something I can say about Norman Mailer. He was consistent until the day he died. He was always like this. What a bastard! In terms of Abbott, of course he had to go back on trial, and he was convicted of first degree manslaughter. Which I don't know why he would be acquitted of murder at this point. I don't know, of course. No, it was no,
00:51:47 no, no, no, no. They really were. So what happened was Mailer got involved with his Jewish friends and argued and testified at the court that it was it was basically once again it was his it was his same thesis that he he didn't pre you know you can't give him second degree murder because that implies there's some premeditation and really he was just reacting after years of being in an environment where that's how you have to operate where if someone doesn't let you use the employee bathroom you have to kill them with a with a sharpened shiv or something and like that. That's basically what they argued, and and they were able to get the Jewish judge to bring it down to to manslaughter.
00:52:29 And Mailer testified on his behalf, didn't he?
00:52:31 Yeah, yeah, he did. So here's the here's from this, or from the after the the case wrapped up. The
00:52:38 jury had obviously been torn between two possible verdicts: murder in the second degree or manslaughter. And after just two days of deliberations, they decided on the lesser charge. Also, first degree, just again, look at that jury,
00:52:51 right? The Asian, Asian, black, black, black, black, and like women.
00:52:56 There's there's the fat white woman at the top with the blonde hair. So you got.
00:53:01 I don't see if no. That woman's black.
00:53:04 No, no, she's got blonde hair. Maybe it's just not coming across from where you're seeing. But like the. I don't know. She
00:53:09 has negroid features. Maybe this is a sketch artist error.
00:53:12 No, the one above at the top has on this side. Oh, it doesn't matter. It's it's woman, woman, woman, woman, woman. First of all, it's like half women, and I, I don't, and maybe some Jews, maybe a maybe maybe one white guy is on that entire jury panel. So that's that's also a huge fucking problem because that's this is 1982, by the way. So like that's how like New York was-that's how fucked it was already. You were never going to get a white jury in New York City.
00:53:46 On the lesser charge, first-degree manslaughter, with the mitigating factor that Jack Henry Abbott killed Richard Adan under extreme emotional disturbance. That's what defense attorney Ivan Fisher had asked for.
00:53:58 Yep, Ivan Fisher. Yeah, it was extreme emotional disturbance.
00:54:03 Inciting Abbott's lengthy, brutal years in prison, years that took him, Fisher had said, from the belly of his mother into the belly of the beast, prison, as Abbott had called it in his best-selling book of letters. For prosecutor James Fogel, who had called for the murder conviction, saying Abbott was a dangerous man who liked to kill. The verdict had to be a disappointment, even though with remaining years Abbott owes because he fled before his parole, he could still get life imprisonment. After the verdict, author Norman Mailer, who helped Abbott get out of jail before, said he thought it was a fair decision.
00:54:37 The fact matter is that just technically, it's very hard to believe that there was intent to murder as such. In other words, that there was a premeditated murder, which is what murder two involved.
00:54:47 Sentencing will be February 24th. Until then, Jack Henry Abbott remains in jail in isolation as he has chosen. Okay, that's such bullshit. I've heard of some. Many cases where premeditation can mean a second where you're pulling out a gun or a knife. That's the premeditation. Obviously, this was a premeditated murder. They walked all the way down the alley. He isolated the victim, right, and then stabbed him to death. This was not. This was not manslaughter.
00:55:18 Yeah, manslaughter is like you accidentally like back your car up over someone, you know, and you're not paying attention, or you or you punch someone really hard and they they hit their head and and and
00:55:29 they die, right? Yeah,
00:55:30 die and you're just like, fuck, I wouldn't, you know, glass jaw, you know,
00:55:34 yeah, exactly. Ugh. Anyway, so he published another book. This is Abbott, My Return, which of course was less successful.
00:55:45 Well, and the entire book was basically just him whining about how he was in jail, how it wasn't his fault,
00:55:51 right?
00:55:52 And using all the same Jewish arguments. And by this time, no one really gave a fuck about him. Like his five minutes were over, and so it didn't really sell any copies. And so his basically just you know came and went without anyone really noticing.
00:56:07 Did Mailer advocate for the the book? Was he trying to promote the book in his testimony?
00:56:13 What the the second book? Oh oh, you mean oh when he was like the belly of the beast?
00:56:18 Yeah,
00:56:18 yeah, I think so. Probably, probably. I mean, the fact that he was still using that
00:56:25 he
00:56:26 might say he was in the belly of the beast. Available at stores everywhere.
00:56:34 I know he probably got rich from that too. The both of them.
00:56:38 Oh yeah.
00:56:39 So the family of the victim, they they initiated a civil suit, and they were awarded millions in damages, which they obviously never thought. I think it was seven and a half million. They never thought they would get from Abbott, but they were able to get the proceeds from this book, which wasn't well received. I wonder why they didn't do this initially.
00:56:58 You know, you know, it's funny that all he got because the
00:57:00 guy hadn't been murdered yet. I'm retarded. Never mind.
00:57:03 You you know what he he got from the the Jew book the the book that he helped Mailer with.
00:57:10 What?
00:57:10 Just just guess how much money he got from that book.
00:57:12 Was it an astronomical sum?
00:57:14 No, no. I think a Jew would give you an astronomical sum for help. Oh, I don't know,
00:57:18 $1,000 then.
00:57:20 Like pretty much, it was 1200 bucks.
00:57:22 Really?
00:57:23 Yeah, the Jew gave him 1200 bucks for for all of his, you know, necessary work on on the on the book that he that he the first book that he worked on.
00:57:35 Wow. Well, he probably had a good year with the commissary.
00:57:39 Yeah, with his 1200 bucks. Yeah, he he didn't run out of cigarettes that first year.
00:57:43 That first year, yeah. Of course, his parole was denied. I shouldn't say of course because you know who knows at this point, because he had total lack of remorse, which was evidenced in the book that he wrote. His ridiculous criminal record, and he was still you know, having disciplinary problems within within the jail in the interim period, so he whacked himself. He was found dead in 2002, hung himself. He pulled pulled an Epstein, right? But he actually probably did kill himself. You know, with like sheets and
00:58:22 right
00:58:22 shoelaces. Although the family still
00:58:24 still claims, you know, that he was he didn't kill himself. Why would they think that? Who's going
00:58:30 to kill him at this point?
00:58:31 Right. Well, the sis the sister, I think, and like the I think the the the crack whore mom were upset that they they didn't investigate it. He wouldn't have killed himself, and it's like I don't know why not, but
00:58:44 well, who cares? He was 60. He literally killed a bunch of people. Yeah,
00:58:48 yeah. I, I, yeah, I would have killed him a long time ago. He's lucky he got a little extra time.
00:58:55 So that is the story. That is the story.
00:58:58 Yeah. So that and it's funny because that has gone on to be a demonstrably repeated behavior of Jews in the legal system, where they go out, they seek out obviously guilty people, and they put a lot of resources into fundraising and campaigning with celebrities who are just fucking retards, and getting the public riled up, and convince them to release people who are guilty, and convince them that the legal system isn't even capable of putting guilty people in prison, you know, and and and which furthers or that feeds into this narrative that is, you know, obviously got very extreme around the George Floyd riots, where they were they were talking about abolishing police, and and this is and that's what this was, you know, the beginnings of that. Those that this was the the kernel of of this kind of.
01:00:00 Social commentary, and it's funny because, like, again, every case they used along the way was just obviously ridiculous, and so yeah, that that's that. This is just, and it's it's just one more example, one more example of Eastern European Jews whose family came to America around the turn of the century, and immediately just started fucking everything up.
01:00:27 Yeah, yeah, exactly,
01:00:30 and getting rich doing so, and getting
01:00:32 so the
01:00:33 amazing part of it. It
01:00:34 does reassure me that his credibility was tainted, and that he lived a life of chaos. Like he was always a kind of a joke to people. I don't think he was really taken seriously. I mean, he was when he was 25 when he released his first novel. But after that, I think his career kind of descended into absurdist takes. But here's the problem: damaged prison reform, the prison reform narrative.
01:01:01 But the prob. But here's the thing, though. He was able to raise millions and millions of dollars in generational wealth that then went passed on to his six different children. Yeah,
01:01:10 eight children, or
01:01:11 I'm sorry, eight different children. And and so now, and I don't look. I have we didn't look those people up, but I'm. It's hard to imagine that that he gave birth to a bunch of non-subversive Jews, you basically have a eight eight Jews out there with a blank check and a pedigree to some extent that leftists will. I mean, even though in the mainstream, maybe not so much. You know, if you are the son or daughter of Mailer and you go to the right institution.
01:01:41 That's that's going to get you places already. So that's the problem. Is is this big ball of money that all of these Jews made around the 50s and 60s for their activism? It created a situation in which their children were able to get go to elite institutions, go to elite schools, and weasel their way into powerful and influential positions throughout the country and maintain their power. So, yeah, it's that's something that we need to think about.
01:02:16 Yeah, I'd say so. So I've noticed, Devon, that on our streams, the best received parts by the audience are when we're shooting the shit,
01:02:25 like when we're done with the stream. When we're done with the
01:02:28 stream, I know. And then we're we're talking about other things. So we we seem to be introducing this in something of an organic way on the show when when the content doesn't really afford, like I don't know. This was about an hour long discussion, right?
01:02:45 Right. So I think that we're going to keep doing this in future if you guys like it. But you know, we'll roll with the punches. If you don't like it, we'll stop. But I I really enjoy having conversations with you about about things that are happening, and I definitely want to talk to you about this Shiloh case this week.
01:03:02 Well, that is going on.
01:03:03 Yeah. So, for those of you that don't know, everybody knows the Shiloh Hendricks story, so I won't, I won't bore you with that. But she has been charged with two counts of disorderly conduct. She's pleading not guilty. She is just a ballsy lady. I just like her. She look at her. She looks demure, and she's just showing up and and doing the thing.
01:03:24 And I think that the prosecution is just is just you know self emulating based on the interpreter, which we're going to talk about things. So they're they're posing this eight year old boy who did steal from her. I mean that that was glossed over initially many times. They're they're trying to to paint him as as like a little retard. I'm like, you mean Somali, right? He's they're saying he's autistic.
01:03:52 I don't think that there's a lot of evidence from that. And then he had a history of just like up up and stealing from people's bags in parks. This had happened several times before. So this week, his father testified, and they used a Somali interpreter on the witness stand.
01:04:08 Well, you know what's crazy about that is the father is a bus driver, and you need a CDL to be a bus driver, and you need to be able to speak English to get a CDL. But somehow he doesn't speak English, and he has a CDL, and he needs an interpreter.
01:04:26 Let's do that. And that's just
01:04:28 one instance out of like the 1000s of instances of this happening across the country. That's leading usually to disaster when some Indian can't read the sign that says "wrong way" as he plows into a family of eight.
01:04:41 Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. So this is from one of the local news stations. The boy's father testified with help of Somali interpreter on the witness stand. He said his son's autism makes it hard for him to understand that he shouldn't take things that aren't his.
01:04:54 And he said it's happened before, but usually people express more compassion than what happened last. At that point in his testimony, he choked up and he paused. He said, "Parents are usually willing to help him when his son behaves that way in public. Dude, if some little nog starts stealing from me, it's amazing she didn't drop kick this kid. She just hurled a racial slur at him. Who cares? Walk it off, kid.
01:05:18 Right? No, it's it's it's fucking insane. Like like here's the thing: is we shouldn't have these people in our country. They're genetically incompatible with it. I think I mean you guys get it. Everyone understands. It's obviously a this is a a secondary symptom of of a larger problem where now the system has not only become so corrupt and anti-white that'll let these people into our country in the first place, but now this is going to be. You guys need to prepare yourselves. I'm just telling you, this is going to just happen more and more. The system is now being weaponized against the people who are the white people who refuse to die out?
01:06:02 The people that don't sit there and and keep their head down and take the abuse and just hand the keys to the castle over to the brown people. These are this is 100% a malicious prosecution that is it's 100% there to punish white people. I wanted to read this real quick. Part, part, part of it. This was a tweet from Daniel Concannon on Twitter. He's at too white to tweet. If you want to follow him on Twitter, but he started talking about how they're using the fighting words doctrine, and so this was right here.
01:06:44 No law was ever passed restricting the First Amendment in cases of fighting words. Rather, fighting words doctrine was established as case law by the Supreme Court in Chaplinsky versus New Hampshire in 1942, stripping First Amendment protection when words quote by their very utterance inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of peace. Now that's what they're using as the precedents to try to prosecute prosecute her, but you can imagine how that could also be extended to prosecute anyone that says nigger and then gets in a physical altercation over it. And this is-it's the the real fucked up irony of it.
01:07:33 I was thinking about this: is they are going to be using the legal system that white people built, you know, to to kill them. Basically, they're going to be using the the weapon that they use to kill us won't be a weapon that they made. It's a weapon they wouldn't be capable of making. And and and the whole reason why it's so effective is it's being used in a way that no no white person thought it would be used when it was created, and and because the norm was such that you just assumed forever, and unfortunately that's the case.
01:08:07 That's how we got here: is white people for generations just took the idea that we were in a white country for granted, and so they didn't think about putting in kind of like these safety measures that would prevent you know non-whites from hijacking the system and using it against them, right? And so that's the. This is just one instance, but the system is full of opportunities for non-whites to get an otherwise functioning legal system and use it as a hammer to bludgeon white people in the head with,
01:08:43 right, right, right. There's no self-awareness for people that are still pushing a multicultural narrative and magic dirt theory, because what we have here, irrespective of this claim of autism, which I'm not buying. I mean, what was the average IQ in Somalia? 80. Well,
01:08:58 well, that's the thing. Is a lot of these, because remember when they were talking about the the Somali fraud that was going on, where they were getting all the ceremonies are
01:09:09 stealing on a mass scale, right? And then the kids are adopting their culture of theft, and that's what's going on here. They're they're not adopting the American culture of high trust, the white culture of high trust,
01:09:21 but no, but that's why there's so many Somali kids classified as having autism because if you get them with with that designation, you get money, and you get and in fact you get extra funding. So because it used to be a joke that like oh look at all these autistic Somali kids that retarded. No, that's not really what it is. I mean, they are retarded. I mean, but they're retarded in the sense that they're just naturally stupider than white people. They have naturally lower IQs than white people. But the oh my gosh,
01:09:51 the average IQ is 67.
01:09:54 Yeah, so they're just saying autism because they don't want to say retarded nig. No. That's what it is. So doctors are are happy to give them the title, and then once they have that, it entitles them to funding because they have some kid that's basically on disability.
01:10:13 Oh my God, that's so low.
01:10:15 No, that that's but that's what's happening, and so it's not his kid isn't like autistic in the same way that your, you know, your friend might have some autistic kid or, or you know, or whatever, like white kid or whatever. That it's not. In other words, it's not an anomalous thing. It's not like oh, Somalis are usually like intelligent people, but every once in a while something goes wrong and they have autism. Like if that kid has autism, the entire Somali race has autism, and they don't. They just they have Somaliism, and oh my God! Did you know this gorillas
01:10:46 generally score between 70 and 95 on human IQ scales?
01:10:52 Yes, they're dumber than gorillas. Coco the gorilla, we are giving we are
01:10:57 giving
01:10:58 we are giving people the right to vote that score lower on IQ tests than Coco the fucking gorilla.
01:11:09 What could possibly go wrong?
01:11:12 That's that's what's happening, folks. And and look, and you think the people don't know this? The people in charge that have the ability to take care of this know this. They know this, but they want this.
01:11:29 Oh my god, I did not know that about the gorillas.
01:11:33 Yeah, no gorillas score higher. Not every gorilla, but there's like like the standout like Coco. Like Coco was the the top. No, no. The
01:11:41 gorillas generally score between 70 and 95. That means that they're one standard deviation higher than the average Somali.
01:11:48 Yes,
01:11:50 a gorilla.
01:11:51 A gorilla. And not just not just Somalis, by the way. Look at the average IQ of places like Honduras.
01:12:02 Let's see. I bet it's really low. Honduras IQ. I think the lowest average IQ is Nepal.
01:12:07 There's IQ
01:12:08 in Honduras is 81 to 84. It's really low in Haiti.
01:12:12 Well, maybe it wasn't Honduras. I'm thinking of, but there's Central America has some spots where it's like, yeah, Haiti is also really bad. But Central America-it all depends on what dataset you're looking at. But Central America has at least a couple spots that are like in the 70s.
01:12:26 Guatemala is 47.
01:12:29 No, that's not possible, is it?
01:12:32 I'm looking at an article right now.
01:12:34 Holy shit, that's like
01:12:35 Nicaragua is 53.
01:12:37 Jesus,
01:12:40 this is functionally retarded by any measure.
01:12:43 That's like non-functionally retarded. Like that's almost like, how are they alive? What about what about uh uh fucking abos? What do they score at? Because they got to be oh jeez, I'm sure that's low
01:12:54 too.
01:12:54 That's gotta be like 30. Aboriginal IQ.
01:13:00 Let's see. It is do not accurately measure the intelligence of indigenous people.
01:13:05 Oh, of course, because these tests are truly biased.
01:13:09 Yeah,
01:13:09 of course. Yeah, anyone who's taken an IQ test knows that's not true. There's nothing cultural about
01:13:17 it. This says mean median value is 62. Can you imagine being a race of people that's dumber than Aboriginals?
01:13:24 Yeah, it's it's absurd, but that's the way it is, and and we're gonna see more of that because here's the thing: non-whites stick together, and non-whites even like the like because if you if your enemy is white people like if the whole like let's say you're like let's say you're a group of non-whites that isn't 60 IQ or something like that, your competitor is not the Somalis. You can sit there and help the Somalis all day long. It's not going to politically hurt you as much as it is going to help you against the whites.
01:14:00 So if you're trying to punish whites and displace whites and atomize whites and and cause chaos for whites, then brown people know that they can form these alliances and fight the whites because their reasons for fighting the whites are identical, and there. So there's and they never they know that it's going to be a long time before they themselves are competing for resources because all the resources are coming from whites, and so as long as they can bash that pinata, they might as well have two of them bashing the same fucking pinata so that the candy comes out faster. Now at a certain point, yeah.
01:14:43 But these people don't think about the future. At a certain point, there's not going to be any more candy left in the fucking pinata, and then you'll have, like, unironically, there will be those ethnic barriers even between the non-whites. You'll start to have. Violent encounters between the you know like the the Somalis and the the Guatemalans or whatever right like they they will start drawing ethnic lines that are a lot less fuzzy than they are today because today it's there's like two teams it's you know are you white or are you not so that's that's just going to keep happening, and white people need to be prepared for that.
01:15:26 And this is all the more reason to go live in a white community because in a case like this, I mean, who's going to be deciding her case? Is it going to be based white people? Is there going to be a based white judge? Right. So the people that deciding Shiloh's case are not going to be people that have are are not going to be. It's not going to be a jury of her peers.
01:15:50 The judge is not going to be sympathetic to it. They're all going to be oppositional, and so at at minimum, if you live in a white community with other white people, you at least avoid this kind of like. First of all, she wouldn't have been arrested in the first place, and if she was, she wouldn't have been charged. The DA would have been like, "What the fuck are we doing here?
01:16:13 And it, and even if she was charged, it wouldn't be. They wouldn't take it to fucking trial and try to you know dig up some free speech exception from the 1940s to throw the book at her, and that's that's that's what they're doing. They're going to keep doing that, and we'll we'll keep up with the case and see where it goes. I look.
01:16:34 I hope that she's able to, you know, I hope she's got good enough legal representation to to combat this, but unfortunately, at the end of the day, you could have the best legal representation that money could buy, and it doesn't matter if you have retards running the the legal system, retards that hate you running the legal. And I'm
01:16:59 hearing a lot of people like, oh, it's just disorderly conduct. It's like, well, this is a symbolic.
01:17:04 Yeah,
01:17:05 it does.
01:17:05 This time,
01:17:06 obviously, yeah.
01:17:07 This time, it's just disorderly conduct. I don't know.
01:17:12 We've had some wins. Kyle Rittenhouse, Nicholas Sandman. I mean, we we might. Well, here's the thing.
01:17:17 In both of those situations, though, neither one of them had any like they're they're literally race blind maggotards. Yeah, like like that's the thing is like had they been explicitly pro white in any way, I don't know that it would have shaken out the same way.
01:17:35 I mean that's the way that they were portrayed in the media as like oh Nick Sandman is like this. White supremacist. I hated Indians, and it's like no, he wasn't. He's literally just like some white Catholic kid who probably loves Israel, you know. So it's like that, no problem there.
01:17:51 And then the same thing with Rittenhouse. Rittenhouse is is unless he's changed. I mean, certainly around and even immediately after the trial was very anti-racist and was didn't didn't appear to have any kind of racial solidarity whatsoever in any of the statements that he had. He didn't know that these were you know these that guy was Jewish, for example, or anything like that. He was just like a a normy white kid, a normy MAGA white kid that got in a bad situation, whereas this this case is different.
01:18:25 Where Shiloh made you know she went she made it clear exactly where she stood and she stood her ground and that is what they punish people for doing. So yes, exactly. It's entirely possible. And again, the stakes are not as high necessarily as as they were with Rittenhouse.
01:18:44 It's not like they're gonna you know convict her for murder and put her under the jail. But you might be surprised what kind of sentencing. Like she might doesn't mean she won't go to jail. She could go to jail in a otherwise harmless kind of a you know disorderly charge. There is who knows what they can like. What kind of leeway that judge has?
01:19:09 Yeah.
01:19:10 In terms of sentencings. In fact, I kind of want to look that up. What is the? Let's see if I can find out what kind of max sentence that she faces here.
01:19:23 I think it's a fine.
01:19:30 Like if it's a fine, like that's not as bad. But the problem with when when you take it to court, that sometimes leaves you open to Harsher outcomes. Yeah, though there there is there is prison time. So she'd go to yeah she'd go to jail for 90 days and have $1,000 fine per count.
01:20:00 So it's two counts, yeah.
01:20:01 So yeah, they could put her in jail for half a year. The two grand's not a big deal, obviously, but still, I mean, she's a mother. She's gonna take. She's gonna be put in a in a women's prison with a bunch of negresses that know that she's the the white bitch that said nigger. You know, like what do? How do you think that's going to go down?
01:20:23 Badly, I think it would go badly. I think that she's, yeah, she she would have to be in solitary confinement for her own protection.
01:20:29 Yeah, and and they're not going to do that either. And even if they did that, that's going to leave a mark. That's not like insignificant to take a mother away from her children and lock her up in a box for three
01:20:39 months.
01:20:40 No, that's it's six months because it's oh because the
01:20:43 yeah the two counts yeah
01:20:46 so that's you know babies grow a lot in in six months and they need their mother that that entire time so they're going to be deprived her babies will be deprived of their mother for half of a year that's going to permanently affect them. They're young
01:21:04 too. I think she has young kids.
01:21:06 No, she absolutely does. So it'll permanently affect her children. It's going to permanently affect her her relationship with her children. It's going to permanently leave a psychological mark on her. Like it's funny. We're all worried. Like all these fucking Jews are worried about the psychological effects that prison has on a murderer that execution style murders two people for no fucking reason.
01:21:31 But no, I don't see any Jews piping up about this and wondering about the psychological impact of this. So it just goes to show you they don't give a fuck about psychological impact and at all. They they care they care about releasing hardcore criminals who are going to create havoc in the in the society, and that's that's really the that's the objective.
01:22:00 Yeah, of course.
01:22:01 And because she's harmless, they want to put her in. They want to put her in jail.
01:22:05 As a society, we wouldn't. We shouldn't at all be concerned about the emotional welfare of a Somali child at all. Like even if this, if if hurling an insult at this child affected him deeply and psychologically, I've never cared less about anything in my life. Get out of our country, and take every one of you with you.
01:22:25 Well, not only that, it's like if their IQ is that fucking low. How does that kid even know what the fuck happened? It's like it's like let's throw people in jail for monking the mocking the gorillas at the zoo. Yeah, like like let's let's go around, let's arrest all the kids that go up to the monkeys in the zoo and go, like oh, you're you're causing emotional emotional harm to that gorilla. It's he's never gonna get over it. That girl doesn't know the fuck's going on, and
01:22:48 allegedly he doesn't even have the mental capacity to know not to steal from people's purses. Right. So how
01:22:52 the fuck is he gonna know that like nigger's not like a compliment?
01:22:56 Oh, thanks, thanks, Olivia.
01:22:58 Yeah, like he gives like like he fucking knows what the hell's going on. So yeah, these people, you need to get away from them because we're clearly the political system is unwilling and unable to remove them from our society.
01:23:15 They won't even get rid of that that senator woman who married her brother to get into. I mean, if it like that shows you how little reverence there is for the not just the the immigration system, obviously, but for even just the the political system. If you're going to have someone that you know committed fraud to come into the country and allow them to be a senator, than than like like there's there's illegal immigrant representatives in California, or at least one, and so it's like, what?
01:23:50 Yeah, it's not going to stop. It's not going to stop. White white people need to figure out that it's not going to stop, and you need to start physically removing yourself from these areas because they're not going away, and this is this is going to becoming a brown shit country.
01:24:07 Yeah, I mean, so many of our problems could be solved if everybody was just as as racist as we are,
01:24:13 but they're not.
01:24:15 Yeah, it can happen though. I was once not racist. I'd been reading your book. You were once, well, you were always racist.
01:24:23 I was always a little. I always knew. I always knew.
01:24:28 I think I did too. Yeah, I think I did too. Like I remember being around all these black kids because of inner city bussing and being like, these people fucking smell. Like I don't want to be around these smelly kids. Well, I think that's that's the thing is,
01:24:41 I think that people need to understand a lot of this stuff is there's a different. Let me put this way: there's a difference between white people who biologically get it, but then the propaganda prevented them from like really, you know, conceptualizing that and.
01:25:00 And and realizing that what you know that there wasn't something wrong with them that there that what they were witnessing was real. And then there's the peep the white people who you know the the pathological altruism is is they'll net they never had those thoughts that you and I had when we were kids about non-whites. They never had those thoughts. They it just never it never happened. So even if you if they weren't bombarded by the Jewish propaganda telling them you know it's a small world after all, it it wouldn't it wouldn't fucking matter. They would still be these blue pilled race trading faggots. So like that's that's. I don't understand.
01:25:42 I I always feel like the search for truth is kind of innate in people, but I don't I don't really think it is. I think if it's inconvenient, people will entertain just tremendous delusions, so that they don't have to intellectually rock the boat. That's very disappointing.
01:25:58 But there's a truth is
01:25:59 it's supposed to be your north star, though. This is we're all supposed to be on this planet in in a spiritual truth.
01:26:05 People people they call they call them comfortable lies for a reason. People don't seek truth; they seek comfort. And there are so many people. I mean, think about the QAnon. QAnon is more popular as a movement. Maybe not so much today, but definitely at its peak than all of the dissident right put together. QAnon had. Oh my God!
01:26:27 Why do I want to commit suicide after every stream? That cannot possibly be true.
01:26:31 That's 100% true. QAnon, QAnon at its peak was like several times over as popular as Nick Fuentes was and is QAnon was the the peak I guess manifestation of people not wanting to actually believe the truth and it was mostly white people mostly white people that had all these anxieties but they were they were unwilling or unable to articulate them in a racially coherent way, and so they defaulted to Fantasyland, you know, superhero movie logic, where Trump was secretly raiding Tom Hanks's house and you know arresting all the Hollywood. You know, let's not think about the Jewish part.
01:27:25 Hollywood people in the secret pedo tunnels and yada yada yada. Like that. That's that's basically the that that movement was huge, huge. And now you and I were not retards, so we weren't watching them. But if you look at the numbers of the the viewership, even now on Rumble, like one of the biggest offenders during this era, was called the what was it like X X 22 report? I think it was called.
01:27:55 Yeah, yeah, is
01:27:56 still one of the top channels on Rumble on the entire platform, and and it's just it's just nonsense. Like it's non like and there's lots of them. There's lots of people like this, and it spread to Normyville. I had people. I had a cabbie once. I forget where I was going now, but I was I had a cabbie taking me somewhere. I I want to say maybe 2018, 2019, or something like that, and he was like, "Oh yeah, I've heard about this QAnon thing, and I was like, "Oh my god, I'm going to fuck
01:28:29 you, and and
01:28:32 and he was trusting the plan. So I would say, as much as it is the default position for people like you and me, and probably many of the people in the audience, that you want to know the truth, and it doesn't really matter what you know what makes you feel good. You you would prefer to know the truth. I think that's unusual. I don't think that's like a normal or even common trait of white people at all. I think that
01:28:58 no, that's true. That's true. I just want to believe I'm entertaining my own delusion here because you can still you can still be super racist and have a pretty normal life. I do.
01:29:10 Yeah, yeah, and look, part of look part of it is now something that wasn't in my book that I was thinking about adding, but I I might not add it because it's not developed enough. But one of the things I was looking in terms of like the the out group preference and stuff like that that white people have.
01:29:29 It's not that whites lack total like totally lack in group preference because that it does manifest in things like like okay, well people make fun of white people when they watch them when they're watching like the World Cup or the or the Super Bowl, and they're losing their fucking minds, or they're you know or they're at a MAGA rally or or whatever.
01:29:54 Like they they do have a a understanding of. Group and group loyalty and wanting to be part of a group. The difference is is unlike other other races, their loyalty has a very strong prestige component, and if you think about it, that's part of why Jews for a very long time have always depicted whites that who are racist as like hillbillies, stupid poor people, and whether you're talking about or even people like Michael Scott in The Office, where like when he would say racist things, he's the heel. Like no one. No one wants to be that guy.
01:30:42 Don't be that guy. Like you might find him endearing in some ways, but don't be that guy. Or even like Homer Simpson before, like they made him woke. Like same when he would say like quote unquote ignorant, you know, racist things. Same thing. It's like don't you know you might want to go have a beer with Homer Simpson, but you wouldn't want to be him.
01:31:02 You don't want to be like the fucking barely sentient, you know, guy who drinks radioactive coffee, and you know. So like, it's that's that's I think the big big difference is they control what's cool, and in fact, if you've noticed for, and I feel like it's unfortunately it is going to kind of burn out because of this. Because in some circles it became cool to talk about Jewish power and to quote unquote indulge in some online anti-Semitism.
01:31:37 There were people who weren't out of any kind of intellectual understanding of the situation were still signaling that yeah yeah Jews are dumb I hate them too you know like they were because that they were signaling that they they also wanted to be part of that group because they sensed there was now beginning to be some prestige attached to that, you know, that kind of signaling, and it wasn't just because of the right. It wasn't just because the right talking about Jewish involvement in porn and things like that.
01:32:12 It was also because, and often the left has control of prestige. It was because the left was heavily criticizing Israel post october 7. So that's the thing. Is I I think that one one of the things that we have to come to terms with is the most white people are are. I I feel like this will will change in response. Like I feel like right now it's it's evolutionary pressures are being applied, and I think so.
01:32:45 Given enough generations, this behavior will necessarily have to be bred out of white people because if it's not, like you'll race mix and you know you will cease to be white. But people that continue to be white in like 345, generations won't have that behavior nearly in the same concentrations because they will be the results of white people who weren't that still had high in group preference and you know despite that is the
01:33:11 reassuring thing about genetic realities that some of the behavior will carry will carry through. So this it's a double-edged sword,
01:33:21 right? So yeah, I think that especially if you want that behavior to be passed down to your children, you need to seek out communities of other white people with that kind of with those characteristics, and have that be the social circle that your children grow up in, and hopefully find spouses in and have children with, and so that is what we need to concentrate on.
01:33:50 If you think about the hyper nepotism of the Jews, came out of a same similar situation, they had a genetic bottleneck of like some crazy small number, and they kept breeding with each other, and and the only ones that would keep doing that, and now look, and that's the other thing too is whites. If you don't fucking, if you don't get a handle on this, you're gonna start running out of like genetic diversity among white people, and start having to do the cousin fucking the Jews did, and you're going to end up with like white Tay-Sachs disease and and all this other stuff, but you know what I mean.
01:34:26 Like that's what the Jews did is they were hyper in group selected because all the rest went extinct because they bred out with the the host country population, and so that's I I hope it doesn't get down to something like that for white people, but we're going to have to start preparing for the I believe the very real probability that whites become minorities and well I mean look it's basically already happened in America. But I mean, it's to a degree where it's very noticeable and everywhere, and not just like in the urban areas. And look, by the way, it's it's even spreading out here. I'm middle of fucking nowhere.
01:35:12 There's an Indian-owned gas station. There is, I mean, middle. I'm talking middle of fucking nowhere. I don't know where where does this guy? Where did he come from? There's just some Indian guy that owns a gas station in the middle of fucking nowhere, and and not only there's an Indian restaurant.
01:35:28 Again, middle of nowhere. Yes, yes. There was an abandoned old west building that was. It's not like super close to me by any means, but it's like I used to think it was like a cool building because it looked like you know like a ghost towny kind of like saloony kind of building, and I go driving by it on my way to go to town, and this this was like by itself in the middle of the desert kind of a building.
01:35:55 I used to love driving by because I'm like ah yeah that looks cool like an old western movie, and they're selling fucking non-bread there now. It's like literally, it's an it's an Indian restaurant. Like someone bought it apparently at some point and redid it as an Indian restaurant.
01:36:11 Oh my god!
01:36:12 Yeah,
01:36:13 they have to be making enough money for it to.
01:36:16 Well, here's the thing: you you need to watch my Patel Motel edition stream I did well that they don't have to be making money they can be getting tons of government funds, small business loans to run the business while using it as a an excuse to hire H 1b visa employees saying well I'm I'm in the middle of fucking nowhere where am I going to find someone that can be an Indian waiter?
01:36:45 I'm going to have to get my cousin whom job. So that's that's unfortunately what what's happening, probably in both cases. And like I said, I'm in the middle of fucking like middle of fucking nowhere, and it's it's spread out to here, And so, I think that increasingly that's going to be an issue. And then already the ethnic solidarity among whites and the elite is essentially non-existent. And you know, so there's there's no real end in sight, as far as I'm concerned. So the only alternative is we got to tribe up and and live together places.
01:37:30 Let's talk about something else that's really blackpiling the reaction to this Tate arrest.
01:37:34 Well, it's it's related.
01:37:36 Of course, it's related. I'm seeing so many people online. You know, of course, Fuentes is. You know, we need to support. We need to support Andrew Tate. I'm like, why? And I'm seeing this problem in the dissonant right where people want to blame women who are largely at fault for a lot of problems. Blame women more than they want to have racial autonomy, or more than they want to have racial unity, and I think that this is a massive movement problem. That this might fracture us entirely. One
01:38:10 thing, one thing you got to understand: a lot of the manosphere is not white guys. A lot of the manosphere is non-whites, and that's precisely why they are unsuccessful in the dating market in white countries. If you are an Indian guy that comes to America and you and you fall in love with Stacy at school and the same, like we've all seen the videos of some blonde chick who goes on vacation in India and is immediately accosted by literally everybody that sees her tries to sexually assault her.
01:38:38 You know what I mean? And so, like, if you're a an Indian that comes to an entire country full of of white women, and you're just going to be walking around sexually frustrated because white women typically, while there are exceptions, typically do not go for Indian guys, and so and that's not just Indian guys.
01:38:59 There's there's a whole lot of other guys like that, and so those people tend to mix in with these manosphere communities, and and and sorry, a lot of it, a lot of it too, is white guys who, because of the slop that's out there, the the environment that we live in, they they think that they deserve a perfect 10 because that's the kinds of girls that they see in the pornos that they like or the animes that they watch as they jerk off all day playing video games and and they're and they're just they they they're literally they're people that they're genetic dead ends for a reason. The women don't want them for a reason.
01:39:38 Now I'm not excusing female behavior, which is at like historic levels, bad right now. Which I think you're you you would agree with. Of course, what I watching
01:39:47 my friends in the dating market right now is just my heart goes out to them. It's terrible.
01:39:51 It's horrific. So look, I I'm not excusing that at all. But at the other end of that is you have a lot of non-whites on this manosphere. And you have a lot of white people. That again, it's about prestige. What was I just talking about? There is a higher social cost to being pro-white than there is to being pro-man, and a lot of these people would would much rather look at the prestige of of someone like Andrew Tate who drives a Bugatti and look, he's rich. That all of a sudden has a a sense of prestige about it.
01:40:25 I can now signal that that is something that I like because that that is associated with luxury and and high status and high class. It's literally the funny thing is they're doing exactly what they are accusing the women of doing. They're saying that like look at all these women. They just they just chase men that have money. That's literally what you're doing, you stupid fucking nigger. When you're when you're going after someone like this because you think he's got like fancy cars and he doesn't wear socks, it's like give me a fucking break. And doesn't
01:40:57 he wear socks? It's bizarre. Put on a pair of of socks, like dress socks.
01:41:02 I don't fucking get it. His pants are
01:41:04 too short. They're too tight. It's like he wants us to forget he's black. We remember Tate. We remember. Yeah,
01:41:10 Tate is not white. And here's the other thing too. There's other subversive non-whites who have entered the scene who are also attractive to young white men in a sense, that they allow them to indulge in their worst impulses without having to take responsibility for for themselves, and there's there's literally there's no hard work being asked of them. All you have to do is keep sending money to you know one of Tate's porn sites, or Tate University, or you know maybe a private group chat that costs $100 a month, and you're and you're part of the club.
01:41:51 You are now part of the prestige, and and people do it. They they do that, and they it's literally it's an ex it's an expression of the same lack of in-group preference that has led whites to the current demographic realities that are that are around us right now, and the fact matter is that Tates are white slavers. They're whites like I mean, definitionally, in any other era, that would be the term that would be applied to them.
01:42:15 They would be called white slavers. They are white slavers that should be in not just in jail. They should be executed, and the and the stupid thing is that's that's not even like here's the thing. First of all, what I'm saying, even though Nick Nick Fuentes is now supporting the Tates, this is this is what Nick Fuentes sounded like not that long ago,
01:42:42 the laws should be rewritten. If the laws don't condemn them to jail, they should be changed so they are. Andrew and Tristan Tate should be put in jail for making porn.
01:43:06 That's before he took the deal. That's before he took the deal and went mainstream and started cashing in by selling fucking petto merch. Look, this is this wasn't like a one-time comment.
01:43:22 Andrew Tate is a pornographer. Like, let's just let's just be very honest about what he is. Whatever you think of him, that's what he is. He's a pornographer. He makes porn. That's how he made his money. That's how he makes a living. He was a fighter. Fighters aren't worth a billion dollars or $100 million, however much he's worth. Fighters don't unless you're Floyd Mayweather. Fighters don't make that kind of money. He made his money through pornography, which is like the definition of selling your soul to the devil. What do you think that means?
01:43:52 Yeah. Well, what did you? Who did you sell your soul to, Nick?
01:43:55 Right. Because now
01:43:56 you support them, and why? Because of prestige. Because exactly
01:44:01 they allowed a little taste of it. They're hanging out at clubs and stuff. Right, knows what it's like to be part of the in crowd now, and it was just too enticing.
01:44:10 Well, and brown people stick together. Is bottom line is is Andrew Tate is mixed race. Nick is next mixed race. If that didn't matter for all the people, oh yeah, right. That plays a role. If it didn't play a role, then why are you a white nationalist?
01:44:25 Of course, because
01:44:26 you're basically a civic nationalist. If that doesn't play a role, then you being white and wanting to live in a white community that doesn't play a role. That doesn't play a role. I mean, you're fucking stupid. Like the the the mental gymnastics that his his retarded fans have been able to perform in order to keep up with his always changing positions, and and and also including the the incongruency of of claiming to be pro white while taking orders from a fucking Mexican who has I.
01:45:00 Right.
01:45:00 Who, as I pointed out, like, and for the people that still say, like, oh, he's just barely not white. This, what I'm about to say, is a true statement. If you know anything about genetic distance, you'll know that I'm right. I am me, Devon Stack. I am genetically closer to his mother than he
01:45:20 is.
01:45:22 That's true.
01:45:23 Yeah,
01:45:24 it's true. Like that's a that's a fact. His genes are so dissimilar from even his own mother because of his admixture. I am closely, more closely related genetically to his mother than he is. That is not white. That is. I think you're right.
01:45:43 Yeah. No, I'm not confident. No, I'm 100
01:45:46 right. Like if you look, like if if you have a mixed race kid, that's the. I mean, the funny thing is, a lot of people that will that that pretend to not understand this didn't have any problem retweeting this when JF was saying about other mixed race kids a few months or a few years ago, when he made the observation that if you have a child with a specially the more genetically distant the the other race the the more extreme the distance becomes, and Amera Indian DNA is way fucking distant, having separated from European populations over 50,000 fucking years ago, like we're talking, like almost as far as African DNA in terms of genetic distance.
01:46:26 Yeah,
01:46:26 and and if you have a kid with another race, the average white person walking around will be more closely related to you than your kid.
01:46:35 That is that is just shocking. I mean, if you told a normie that, they would they wouldn't believe you. They wouldn't believe you. Yeah,
01:46:42 but you can show. I mean, it's what I'm saying is just it's true. You go ahead and do it, guys. Grok, is this true? Do
01:46:51 it. Do it. Our audience believes you. I think no, no. But like for
01:46:55 those of you who don't ask Grok, he will say yes. Grok will say that that basically two random white people will be more closely related, or or in fact you can even use Nick Fuentes's mother as an example because Grok, as I have discovered, is aware of his 23andme results, so he'll tell you specifically. You can say, "Hey, hey Grok, I'm a random white spouting stock American who tests at least 95% of European origin. Am I genetically closer to Nick Fuentes's mother than he is? And Grok will respond yes.
01:47:35 Yep,
01:47:35 it's the truth.
01:47:37 And as far as Tate is concerned, you know he's he's half black, and so I know that he's wealthy and he has these Bugattis and you know all this. But he's genetically
01:47:45 off the fucking chart. Like literally, he's so far outside the white group that he's he's further away than some groups that like like he's further away than like Puerto Ricans.
01:47:59 Yeah, yeah, and he's rebranded standard black behavior. That's really what he's done. Having tons of children with multiple women, the only thing that he's doing correct-he's still an absent father. The only thing he's doing correctly is supporting them financially. But this is all black behavior, and is that the end state of the manosphere? I think that there was great utility in early manosphere stuff like Return of Kings.
01:48:25 Oh my God, what was the other one? Ah, Rolla Tomasi. Who else was the other? I can't even remember him now. And when we used to be friends, he had another huge blog. Let me know in live chat if you if you remember. But there there was utility in that because modern men just don't understand women. They don't understand female biology. Well, there's no,
01:48:46 there are no resources for that because they're surrounded by feminist bullshit that tell them the exact opposite of reality.
01:48:53 So I don't want people to think I'm throwing the baby out with the bathwater, but in stage manosphere stuff is is nog tape behavior.
01:49:00 Well, and tell you what, tell me, tell me, does this sound like the behavior of someone who cares about men? Me
01:49:07 and these two chicks, we start, we just start fucking hammering the webcam game. Problem is, another thing I knew when I talk about what women don't find that men that women don't know what men find attractive. The earlier on this podcast, everything I said, the the webcam company I was running proved that perfectly. The women who were on stream were beautiful, but they didn't have a fucking clue what to say. They were saying all the wrong shit, man. Every day they were saying the wrong shit, and we were losing customers. Everything I was telling you earlier about wanting to be innocent-they're saying, "Oh, I've been here, I've been there. Like, shut the fuck up! You're talking to some dude. He doesn't want to hear where you've been. He knows you can't be a halt. You can't be a 10 talking about that.
01:49:42 How you been to Dubai to some fucking dude in Minnesota who's fat? He ain't gonna ever believe that he's gonna get you that way. You gotta probably lie to him. You gotta lie to him. She's like, ly and say what? Say that you've never been anywhere because you don't trust men. You can't find a man who's serious. Make him think that if he's serious about.
01:50:00 You that nothing else matters. You go put a famous on it. So I'm trying to teach these women, and the women kept fucking it up. So I said to said to them, it's like you know what? Fuck it, I'm taking over. So what I did is I unplugged their keyboards and plugged a new one in from me behind the screen. So the chicks would sit there and hit a keyboard that wasn't plugged in, and me and my brother and eventually some staff I trained would do all the talking. The girls were just pure, just famoosers, just laughing, and doing this.
01:50:27 The titties out, and they were talking to fucking ice cold hustlers. We were taking their money, all of it. They they come and say, "What kind of all of it? We fucking do milking them dry. Women haven't got a clue how to promote a dude. They don't have because they ride on the looks. They don't have any of the intellect. They have no game, nothing. There's nothing. Nah, you get you get a man. You get a man with game and give him a female's body, a female avatar. You will fuck a guy up. I had these guys selling their houses, life savings, loans, all of it to me. Give me it all. So like, and it's it's basic shit, right? You'd have a girl bad or no? Fuck no. How did you
01:51:09 not feel bad about that?
01:51:11 So does that sound like a men's rights advocate, or does that sound like a guy who's scamming men?
01:51:17 Yeah.
01:51:18 Does that sound
01:51:19 all people are at fault here.
01:51:21 That's indistinguishable from a Nigerian romance scammer. That's literally what he was doing.
01:51:27 That's what it was, Hartiste. Sorry, guys. Sorry, Hartiste. If you're listening to this, I know he disappeared from the scene. Very valuable stuff. Old school Hartiste. Sorry.
01:51:36 No, and here's the thing: men, men, myself included, when I was younger, have a hard time understanding female nature because it's portrayed in movies and in school and in even church as like women are all these like perfect angels that can do no wrong and you better not hit one and you know blah blah blah blah, and so you're like oh yeah they're like these little innocent puppies and and then the first time you encounter like an evil, vengeful bitch.
01:52:03 You're just you're unprepared for what you don't know that that could happen, and it destroys a lot of men, and it and and so they they they flounder and they try to they struggle to figure it all out, and unfortunately, some sometimes they they get they get tricked by people like Andrew Tate because he's offering.
01:52:22 Look at me! I drive a Bugatti, and all these hot chicks want me. Don't you want that world? Don't you want that? You know, like I don't get fucked over by women. I fuck over women, and so men get they get attracted to that. And for the people acting like, oh well, he didn't actually do anything.
01:52:40 First of all, I don't care, even if he didn't. But are you are you trying to tell me that this is doing nothing? This is these are the girls that he, a white slaver, manipulated into doing porn for him. Does this look like the kind of behavior that you think this should be acceptable? You think a non-white should be allowed to do this to a white girl under any circumstances? Say what you.
01:53:13 Listen. Did I say it? Did I say it? Look at the camera. Just what happens? You don't listen. Look at the camera. Why are you getting hit? Why are you getting beaten?
01:53:31 Is that is that what you you're fine with that? You're fine with a non-white beating the shit out of a 14-year-old girl under a white girl under any circumstances.
01:53:41 Jeez. is
01:53:42 that is that what you're sticking up for? Is that is that what the white movement's about now? Because because he's he's based and he's he's red pilling men out of the matrix. You guys are fucking retarded. Anyone that like I swear to God, anyone that that that supports Nate or Nate, one of the Tates, you guys are fucking dead to me. You're dead to me. I can't. I care.
01:54:09 I bet some of the allegations, at least, are true. You know, based on this footage. Well,
01:54:13 even if they're not, fuck him because he's a he's a pornographer and he's a a white slaver. But obviously, he's a rapist. Like, come on! Yeah, obviously, obviously, he's. This is the shit he did on camera that he knew he was doing on camera. Imagine the kind of behavior that went on behind closed doors.
01:54:32 Yeah,
01:54:32 and just because women have have have ruined their, they've been like the boy who cried wolf in terms of like false rape allegations in recent decades, does not mean that that rapist stopped existing. Okay, yeah, and that that Andrew Tate doesn't exactly fit the the mold of what these these fucking animals are. So anyway. It's this is it's insane to me that that there's people out there actively supporting this guy, and that some of them consider themselves white nationalists. You guys are fucking disgusting.
01:55:13 Yeah, I totally agree. I mean, and this all should have been if people would have been scrutinizing them for being non-white, then they never would have fallen into this trap. I mean, we have an allegiance here. We have a number one allegiance, and that is to white nationalism. And anything beyond that, people need to to really evaluate the situation here. He's not white. Case closed. Case closed. What's the problem here? And that would have prevented us from from the well. And think of it this way:
01:55:41 even if, let's say, he was 100% innocent, and he didn't do all this stuff, and he wasn't a complete slime bag, and he didn't run porn companies, and he didn't basically get all of his wealth by scamming lonely white people in America, let's say all that wasn't none of that was true, even though it is, let's just say none of it was true. Why are you putting any advocacy energy whatsoever, which there is a finite amount. Why would you put any of that towards a non-white cause when we are facing existential crisis?
01:56:10 That is fucking ridiculous. It means that you're not taking the the problem seriously. That this has just become some kind of weird little social media game for you, and this is the latest fun thing to advocate for. You're no different than the fucking stupid liberal bitches that change their avatar to a black fist because they're signaling that they too are part of the the virtuous cause of Black Lives Matter. You are just signaling to a different group, but you're signaling like the same stupid vapid hoes that you claim to hate. You are signaling that you too are in support of the based fucking CI son of a CIA agent nigger. Like that's literally what you're saying. I mean, you are no different. You are a basic bitch.
01:56:57 Angry Devon is the best Devon. But I don't know. I wonder if people in our sphere, because we've you know moved so far away from the the Nick Fuentes sphere, aren't scrutinizing them with the same with the same level that that we are.
01:57:10 No, and I bet. Look, obviously, if you're a regular in this circle, you you get all this, and you probably understand this. I'm sure there, there, there's not a whole lot of crossover at this point. Most people are starting to realize, like even, even like the most diluted groipers are starting to figure out. Like, wait a second, this Nick doesn't sound based at all anymore. You know, like there's there's a lot of people starting to figure this out. Okay, but it's not even just it's not just Nick. There's like lots of people that I would consider.
01:57:46 I mean, as in white people. Like Nick's not even white, as far as I'm concerned. Doesn't really matter. Yeah, he's just he's just some brown entertainer. But there are people that are white, and I'm not going to sit here and name names. But there are people that I've seen on the timeline that I that has surprised me that they are you know well I don't like they're they're leading marches in Washington over this but like they are they have they're they're using their their influence points towards something that is fundamentally Anti-white.
01:58:23 Yeah, but it's easy to tell who's doing this. I mean, I don't understand why, as a movement, we're not being more discerning.
01:58:31 Well, look, that's what I'm doing right now. Is I'm trying to trying to explain like why this is this is necessary. You know, this is. It's. I'm just, I'm just so. When I wrote the book, I came to the conclusion really, and it'll be out hopefully pretty soon. It's in the process of being edited right now. In fact, I'll be talking to people tomorrow, I think, about the when we can get it out the door. But the The thing that I came to conclusion was a lot of the the bad behaviors that you see from whites within the pro-white movement that seem inexplicable to me. Upon further examination, it's it's the exact the the sources of these behaviors are the exact same sources of the other behaviors that have been self-destructive to whites. Totally,
01:59:21 yeah.
01:59:21 And so when you see like whites that start prioritizing profits and over their race, and so they justify you know immigration of like the the high IQ immigrants that are not white or whatever, and they they tell you, well, I'm just being pragmatic, or or whatever the reasoning is. That's the exact same behavior that you see when you have people in the so-called pro-white movement advocating for non-whites.
01:59:51 They're they're they're basically using the it's the source of that impulse to do that to signal that like, no, look, I I I I I like. On whites too, like that's really what you're doing. I mean, you're literally signaling no different than a boomer with his base black friend. You're just being the guy. Yeah, you're just having. You're just like a zoomer with a base part Mexican friend. Like there's no difference whatsoever. There's zero difference, and you have to
02:00:16 be totally unconcerned with this,
02:00:18 right? And and the thing is, is it's because the unfortunate side of that, though, is I do believe that behavior is biological in origin, and so we're not going to convince those people that that that feel that urge or that impulse so strongly. They're not able to reason their way out of it. They're they're a lost cause, and in fact, you kind of want them to be because you don't you want their genes to die. You don't, and so in in a in a sense, you kind of do want them jacking off to Andrew Tate's porno while chatting with some Indian guy that they think is a girl, like because you don't want them reproducing.
02:01:00 You don't want them reproducing. Yeah,
02:01:02 because they have they're they are basically in in a sense. And Andrew Tate is creating almost like a genetic filter. He's basically filtering out the the genetic trash that can't see through the bullshit and and instead feel like they need to pay him for Tate University or or whatever stupid shit they that they they sell that has made them so wealthy.
02:01:26 Yeah, it's disappointing, man. But we should be looking at anything that is trying to trying to prevent white unions and increasing the white birth rate as some sort of Jewish operation, always. Right. So the manosphere always should have been under some scrutiny. I understand the state of women is horrible. You would not believe the stuff I saw in New York, but um.
02:01:53 Well, I believe it. But
02:01:54 well, it was mostly the tattoo situation. Like I would see a beautiful woman, like beautiful face, beautiful body, just covered in tattoos. I'm like, like I do not. I've never seen a tattoo that has made somebody look better, especially a woman. And so it's just this visual image of the destruction of female beauty, and it just it just makes me so sad. And tattoos are the tip of the iceberg, and in terms of the female problem. So I understand why it was so appealing, but this is what these people do: they identify a legitimate problem, address it superficially, and enrich themselves to a level that none of us can possibly imagine. Can you imagine having Tate money?
02:02:33 Right,
02:02:34 dude. One of the things I would do, I'd be giving Mark Collett like I would just give him $10 million. Here you go.
02:02:41 Well, and and the fact that these these guys don't do things like that shows you everything that you know, right?
02:02:46 Yeah,
02:02:47 it's not like these people are are putting that money towards you know creating like actual institutions for men to attend and and better themselves or anything like that. It's all they're just using people. Yeah, they're just using
02:03:03 people, and they never were able to manage to embody genuine male, genuine masculinity. They they weren't able to do that in in a meaningful way. So you know that masculinity is not about you know wealth is a component, and game is a component of all that, but to be truly masculine, that's a confidence from that comes from within. And it seemed to me like their their masculinity has always been superficial, that their confidence has always been superficial. It's just too it's just too much with them. Like masculine men, they're lumberjacks and they're working on oil rigs. They aren't wearing faggot capris and scamming white guys in Minnesota,
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02:05:21 really is the only way. Everyone's like, "What can I do for the movement? I'm like, "Buy books from Antelope Hill and send a super chat. Well, well, more more
02:05:32 than that. More than that, you need to also like I was saying, you need to start either laying down serious Plans to to start congregating with you know in communities with other white people. It's time. It's no longer a hypothetical of like and and the political possibilities in terms of reversing or or even dramatically slowing down the replacement. It's just that that's look.
02:06:01 The boomers are going to be dying off like really soon, and you know you're you're going to tell you what you might not think so, but you're going to really fucking miss the boomers when they're gone, when all of a sudden the your voting power is cut by like a third because that's how many that's how fewer white people there are, and that's how. In fact, you know, you thought it was hard to get a a white guy on a jury before. Well, wait till like all the retired boomers that have nothing better to do than to go show up for jury duty are all dead. And now it's just unemployed niggs on the jury. So do the math. And so it's it's time to it's time to start making that move now before you end up in a Shiloh Hendricks kind of situation,
02:06:43 yeah, yep. It only takes one Somali kid stealing from you,
02:06:47 yep.
02:06:49 Let's do some supers.
02:06:51 All right, you're gonna hear the you're gonna hear the stupid intro thing for like a split second. Hang on, I can't I can't disable it before I flip to it. But here, hang
02:06:58 on. That's okay.
02:06:59 You're watching Outlaws.
02:07:02 There we go. It was just a reminder. It was. It wasn't. That was not an accident. It's just. I was reminding everyone you're watching outlaws.
02:07:11 Thank you for your support tonight, you guys. Let's see. We got Troy. I'll say a prayer for Devon's killing floor wish fulfillment. We should all say a prayer for that. The world would be a better place if Devon were killing, not indiscriminately. Of course, we trust his judgment. We no, I'll discriminate.
02:07:26 I'll discriminate.
02:07:28 I would trust you too. Troy said they hated war when it was against Jewish promoted communism. Now they have no interest in protest. Yep, that's the truth. Alt Kill says, "Looking forward to the new book. That chapter was great. Perfect amount of tism. Yeah, he was all worried. Can I tell them that I read it? Because I read it.
02:07:48 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:07:50 So I read it. It's excellent. And he was like, 'Is there too much tism? And I was like, 'I was promised tism, and I I got delivered minimal tism. I was somewhat disappointed. You weren't even spurred maxing, Devon.
02:08:02 Well, no, I want it to be easily accessible to the, the like someone that like is look. I'll tell you, like a lot of the stuff that's in there is stuff that most people are already going to understand at least surface level, and I and so the book is to get people that want a clearer, coherent presentation of of those ideas, but also an introduction for those who don't have any exposure to this stuff. This is another way. Oh, I
02:08:29 learned so much, and I've been in the sphere for a decade. Right. So it's highly informative. Pick it up when you guys can. I think you should do a book tour. Book tour. Book tour.
02:08:40 We'll we'll we'll see about that. Possibly we'll see. Lord
02:08:43 Fair, how much better or worse will it get even when the boomers go away? Even though they're the most brainwashed, I still think it only gets worse. Wow, this person said this way earlier in the stream. Prestige signals will distort when they go. That is absolutely. It's exactly what Devon just said. Well done. You he preempted you. Thank you for that videograms. I hate when conservatives cuck and counter signal things like Antelope Hill Publishing. They sound no different from the SPLC. I heard a live stream from last night that pissed me off with this. I don't know to what live stream you're referring, but I think that's absolutely true. And I know that there's some pro-white factions that are warring. I'm like, everybody, shut up! Just shut it. Get along. Hang on one second to be discerning.
02:09:23 Hang on one second. I think I have Churro Patrol. Hang on one second. Okay.
02:09:26 Don Browning, big dono. Thanks. Romega, you sent a big dono too. So I'm gonna have to wait until Devon gets back to read this so that I can give it give it its due. Man, you guys, New York. I don't know who amongst you lives in New York, but it looks terrible. It just looks awful. I was staying in the Lower East Side, which when I was living there, it was kind of like an up and coming hipster neighborhood, and it just looked like total shit, just filthy. The bum problem is worse, so much worse than I remember it, and it's not like quaint.
02:10:00 Seattle bums that are kind of voluntarily homeless and they've been addicted to drugs for three weeks. It's like hardened homeless black guys that have been homeless for 30 years. It's like a different breed. It's like they spawned a different breed of homeless people. It was just so bad. I will say I didn't feel particularly unsafe, but you know it's not like I was past 120th Street or anything like that. I wasn't in Queens or the Bronx or or anything like that.
02:10:30 But you know it was a America's jewel, and now it's just this piece of shit trash dump minority city. I'm not even joking. Five to one minorities, even on the Lower East Side, it would be like Mexican, Mexican, two black people, and then a confused-looking Asian. And then I'm just standing there, like, like what is happening here? And then you'd see a white person. It would be some hipster, hot hipster chick, just covered in tattoos.
02:10:54 Like this cannot be New York City, the famed New York City. Kim says, "I was disappointed to read praise for Tate and American History Z: Gen Z's Journey to the Far Right, with foreword by Jared Taylor. I look forward to Devon's new book. Yeah, a lot of people praise Tate for for his work in the manosphere, as we just discussed. But I think I think it's misguided. Are you back, Devon?
02:11:22 I am.
02:11:23 Okay, Romega Big Dono says, Devon, do you consider Spaniards white? Do they have? They do have a dark history, if you know what I mean. I'm going to go with yes on this one. White adjacent, close, closely related. They're white adjacent.
02:11:37 I mean, look. It depends on where they cluster, right? Because there's look, there are blonde hair, blue eyed Spaniards, yeah, but there are some pretty dark ones too. But if you cluster within the European grouping, then sure, you're white. You know, like there there is a distinct cluster of people that are European origin, and there are some people that stray dramatically away from that center. And look, there.
02:12:08 For for example, one of the things that I found shocking, but also kind of not that shocking, there there are groups of Southern Italians who don't only group really far away from the northwestern Europeans, but they group right next to Jews, like right next. Like I mean, like they're basically the same. They occupy the same space, and there's a lot of it makes sense. There's a lot of features in in certain like Sicilians and like you know Southern Italians, they look kind of Jewy, and vice versa. You know, like that's why in in movies there's a lot of Jews that play Italian mobsters, and no one really you know was like that doesn't look normal. It kind of worked out, you know.
02:12:56 Yeah.
02:12:56 And so, but and there's different groups. Like you could even say, like the Finnish group, pretty far away. In fact, they're almost like their own unique race because they were isolated and and far enough away from a lot of the European populations and in closer proximity to the Asian populations that they kind of have like their own thing, but I would consider them white, you know. And so it's they're they're because they're close enough to like the the center, right? Yeah. So so I would I would imagine a lot of Spaniards fit in there. I mean, there might be some that don't.
02:13:39 Hmm. I think I'm good over here. Oh, there's one more. Would like to see a stream where you guys promote some groups we can try to group with. I mean, as always, I recommend Nova and Patriot Front. I think that they're the real deal. I've had excellent interactions with both of them. We're trying to get Thomas Rousseau on for a little chat. I think that that's probably going to be coming in the next week. Yeah, if you have an opportunity to join, their people never got
02:14:02 back to me. They were supposed to get back to me on television. Texting
02:14:05 with them.
02:14:06 Oh well, then tell him to fucking get back to me. He
02:14:10 said he can. He said he can do it tomorrow. I was,
02:14:12 but I was gonna have on an insomnia stream, but then I never heard back from him, so I was like, all right.
02:14:16 Oh, you should have him on Saturday then. I'll talk to Thomas and see if he's available for insomnia.
02:14:20 And I well can I get it because it's late. Not everyone wants to be up all night doing that, but so I'll get it if they don't want to do that. But it saves me from having to prepare for a string. All
02:14:34 right, good over there. Thanks for your generosity, guys.
02:14:36 All right, so we're gonna go take a look here, and all right, generous super chat or Rumble rant. I guess they're called rants on Rumble rant from Astrolus 725 Nubian. Monkeys, thanks to Devon and Rebecca for these insights into the unforeseeable future derived from past events. Have some shekels for this. Well, I appreciate that. Astralists always, always generous. Then we got likes to watch. Says Devon. Really looking looking forward to the books, blonde. You're the hottest old lady I've ever seen, and I'm happy the event went all right. Thank you both. Cheers.
02:15:30 I am old.
02:15:31 That's kind of a yeah, sort of a compliment, I guess. Then we got Corsica SS says I'm pro death penalty because there's no way to take away a convict's spank bank. There's no reason to let them jack off every night thinking about your loved one's final moments for the next 30 years. Well, I mean, look, just there's no reason to keep them alive at all. Period. Like there's no reason there at no point will society be be like well thank God we didn't execute that murderer, like no one's no one's gonna ever have that thought.
02:16:09 There's never going to be a moment when like that is a thing, and so the only reason why we're keeping these people alive is because we have these emotional thinking retards in charge, and so or subversively, actively trying to destroy our society. So there's that. Do
02:16:28 you know what this genetic, the the race similarity scale is called? Is it the principal component analysis plot? Is that yes,
02:16:37 yes. Okay, I want to. I
02:16:39 want to see this.
02:16:40 Yeah, yeah. There, there's different ways you can basically compare different, you know, compare groups. But there's reliable ways that where you can determine their ancestral origin by by grouping, you know, by by grouping different characteristics together, and so there's different. It all depends on like what data they use, and there's slightly different variations. Ooh, a
02:17:13 scatter plot. This is fun. Yeah,
02:17:15 yeah, yeah, yeah. So, in fact, if you you never seen one of these,
02:17:19 I have, but it's been it's been a really long time. I want I thought that there was some kind of uniform measurement, but it seems like a lot of people have produced a different a bunch of different visual scales,
02:17:31 right? And and and and no matter how you measure it, blacks are always like fucking in outer space compared to every other. The one
02:17:39 Duddy talked about was a bar graph, wasn't it? I think it was.
02:17:43 I don't know which one you're talking about.
02:17:45 Okay, there we go. Sorry, go ahead.
02:17:49 That's right. Then we got Doctor Jellyfinger says here's the video of Mailer fighting Rip Torn for your enjoyment. He bit Rip Torn because of course He did, what?
02:18:02 What he bit Rick Torren? Really?
02:18:06 I wonder if I can. I'll tell you what. I'll see if I can download it, and maybe we'll play it at the end here. Sometimes my little downloader thingy will let it will work while I'm streaming. Sometimes it won't. It's not appearing to like. Well, we'll see. I'll let it. I'll let it go, and if it downloads, we'll play it. All right. Then we got Gorilla Hands says, "Don't have anything to say except take some shekels from me. Well, I appreciate that.
02:18:34 Thank you.
02:18:36 All right. It says, "Yeah, the the unfortunately it doesn't want to download. I have no way of popping it on the screen, or I would the fight. Or actually, let me let me do this. Let me try this.
02:18:56 There's a possibility I can do with this one. Wow, there's a huge genetic gap between the English and even the Greek.
02:19:07 Yeah, no, the Greeks, all the Southern Europeans are are are there is a distance, as you say, and like I said, that distance is actually very close to
02:19:16 Indian. That you're if you're Greek, you're closer to being Iranian, Indian, and Southwest Asian than you are to being English. Am I reading this correctly?
02:19:25 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:19:31 This seriously?
02:19:34 Yeah, yeah. I don't know why they put this on the on
02:19:38 the axis like this. I can't flip it over. I won't be able to understand it. This is somewhat shocking.
02:19:43 You've never seen seen it. It's been
02:19:46 so long. It's you know. All
02:19:49 right, then we got. Let's see here. Actually, that video just downloaded. I think. Should we play it?
02:19:59 Hell yeah.
02:20:00 You you want to see uh you want to see what it looks like when a Jew fights Rip Torn? Is Rip Torn a Jew too?
02:20:09 I don't know. Let me look it up.
02:20:13 Let's see here. Watch this yet. It's gonna be funny. Scale it up. So this was the subject of tonight's stream versus Rip Torn.
02:20:47 You must die, not Mailer. Not Mailer. I don't want to kill Mailer, but I must kill Kingsley in this picture. No. Fuck
02:21:17 fucking boomers, man! What
02:21:19 is happening here?
02:21:20 Okay, I go.
02:21:21 Okay, go. Okay, okay. I'm sorry, Dad. I'm sorry. That piece get up. No, let me get you. No, no. No. Hey,
02:21:33 will you cut this fucking me out?
02:21:46 He's choking him out. Go rip toward. Here comes the Boomer Woman. Now there's kids crying.
02:22:37 He's hurt worse than me.
02:22:46 Oh, what a nightmare the '60s was! I really did, baby.
02:22:50 I had to do that. You know that.
02:22:51 Let me do my kids. Oh, look! You're dead. That's the record for you. No. No.
02:23:00 It's all right.
02:23:01 Wait, let me see your hand.
02:23:03 That was. I'm thinking that scene out of the movie. Get a truck.
02:23:09 Because I have to. Get a truck. No, I'm perfectly all right. Let me
02:23:15 see your head. Yes, I'm
02:23:16 okay. I'm okay. It's okay, Papa.
02:23:24 Oh, what a nightmare it would have been to grow up in this era. I'm gonna read the story behind
02:23:29 this. The infamous unscripted 1975 1970 fight between Riptorn and author director Norman Mailer occurred on the set of Mailer's experimental film Maidstone. Frustrated by the lack of direction, Rip Torn unexpectedly swung a hammer at Mailer's head to assassinate his character. Mailer retaliated by wrestling Torn to the ground and biting a chunk out of Torn's ear. Both the brutal hammer strike and the resulting bloody bare knuckle bra were caught on camera. The Criterion Collection hosts an in-depth look at how this event blur the lines between fiction and reality.
02:24:02 Oh my God! Shut up. For
02:24:09 real? Rick Torn's not Jewish.
02:24:11 That's good. I always kind of like them.
02:24:13 Yeah, yeah.
02:24:15 It's always it's always a pleasant surprise when they're not Jewish. All right. Well, there we go. We got. Let's see here. The Supreme Rabbi Satan just says shekels. Tomo Hawk says still waiting for the Carr Brothers to be executed here in Kansas. It's also tiresome. Yeah, it takes forever to execute people. If and then usually, you know, they're just they're just basically trying to run out the clock until a Jew can save them. Real Starfish Prime says Captain Stack, you missed a few donations during the Insomnia Gulf Stream Saturday.
02:24:50 You should read through them. Big dono from Blue Cord and a couple peasant donos from me and Rabbi Satan. I'll take a look. I got a message. To that effect, and I think actually I don't Rumble just does that sometimes. I think it just doesn't pop up for me for some reason. So I'll go back into the into the the history because it does keep a record, and I'll we'll go over those on Saturday for sure.
02:25:18 I appreciate that, but yeah, if I if I don't read it, it's not because like I'm I'm doing it on purpose. It's usually because Rumble isn't showing me. All right, then we got Friendly Fash says Rebecca. I saw a picture of you at the recent gathering. Your hard work paid off. 1200 calories is nuts. I cut at 2700 calories.
02:25:45 Oh my gosh,
02:25:46 Devon! I love the lyrics to your music. You've put soul into the machine.
02:25:53 You have. It's excellent work. Thank you for that. That really means a lot. I worked really, really, really hard, and it's not over yet, so got to keep at it. Deb and I were just talking about that today. It's like mainly a lifestyle. It is a lifestyle.
02:26:08 It's a lifestyle. Okay. No, I
02:26:11 wish it weren't, but it
02:26:13 is. Unfortunately, the goy slop must always be rejected. The shadow band says another drunk don't know can never get here or get in here in time to watch. I've watched live, but I appreciate the work you do. Well, we should have been able to get there pretty pretty close to on time because we didn't even I didn't post this till we were like live five minutes later. But thank you very much anyway. Shadow band Night Train says being white is like being the guest on the Muppet Show. I'm trying to try trying to make sense of that one. Being white is like being the guest because you're on the outside
02:26:53 and you're always getting harassed.
02:26:55 That's true, but but usually the Muppets aren't trying to stab you to death.
02:26:58 Truth.
02:27:00 All right, then we got Cassandra says with a big dono, just says hi. Hi,
02:27:06 you're the best. Thank you so much. Thank you.
02:27:10 Yeah, that's uh, it's very generous as always. We really appreciate that.
02:27:15 Yep.
02:27:15 And then we got Tomo Hawk says if Shyla loses her case, we all need to come together and flood that poor woman with cash. Well, she's got she's got tons of cash. If she loses the case, it's not going to be money that's going to be a problem. It's it's the fact that it's the potential for jail time that could be really disruptive to her family, you know. And I mean, look, I mean, I'm not, I'm not against her getting cash. I'm just saying, thankfully, that's probably not going to be her biggest concern.
02:27:55 Then we got Love and Division says thanks for another informative show. By the way, the humiliation ritual has hit all-time low. I recently saw a commercial featuring a fat black female tandem skydive instructor with a white passenger. Well, there you go. Fallen. Hopefully, that parachute never deployed. Then we got Godzilla hands says, "What more need? What more need have we of witnesses? We are against the proverbial wall.
02:28:35 Yeah.
02:28:35 Well, there you go. That's soon to be
02:28:39 a literal wall. I fear.
02:28:41 Yeah, and that's the thing. If you if you go to a white community, you can build said wall. All right, then we got sack of possums with a very generous dono. Says dry spell, you say? Well, here's a little to wet the whistle. Just don't forget to prime the pump. When do we get the inevitable three-hour crossover stream with Cam and Devon,
02:29:06 dude. I would love to do that. Cameron is um, he like really hates social media, which I understand because we are just kind of screaming into an abyss, and it's really self-aggrandizing and narcissistic, and and I feel like we're at this place where we've said everything.
02:29:25 Like no one's going to hear our stream and be like, "Well, I had no idea about Black people at this point. So it's like sometimes I feel like with all of my work, like what am I even doing here? I need to do something else. And I not like quit quit the show. I love doing the stream, but I feel like we as a movement are ready to move into some real life action, and that's what this event taught me.
02:29:45 Like I was like, we need to be congregating in in mass, and I think I'm going to focus some of my energies there as well. But Cameron just hates he just hates social media. So I wonder if I'll ever be able to. I would love. Love to see you two on a stream because your your worldview is so diametrically opposed. I think it would be so interesting watching you guys interact with each other. You never talked, have you?
02:30:11 I I I you know I don't know much about him. I think I've seen a little bit of his appearances when you were on the backlash, like like a little bit, but that's like my only exposure to him. So I don't. Cameron's
02:30:26 Cameron's great.
02:30:27 So I don't even know what his worldview is. So he's
02:30:30 he's very optimistic about our situation.
02:30:33 Oh well, okay. Then I guess that is a bit different than mine. Then we got Druff Work says in the UK and soon in Canada as well. Even the rural areas are being seeded with nons. Absolutely, and some of that is strategic. They are in the same way they did the bussing to white neighborhoods.
02:30:58 You know, they're doing that on a nationwide scale, when it comes distributing the undesirables into our white communities. All right, then we got Rabbi Baby Foreskin Eater says, as for last week's stream, when people use food oranges as justification for foreigners in their land, remember Esau traded his birthright to Jacob for food. Esau is universally considered a fool.
02:31:27 Yeah,
02:31:28 there you go, and that's exactly, if you, I guess, to give it a biblical metaphor, that is exactly what's that's the behavior that you see with white people over and over and over again. Unfortunately, yes,
02:31:42 yes, it is.
02:31:43 All these people,
02:31:44 a connection. As long as it's your fault, I don't care.
02:31:47 Yeah, we should be back. I don't know. This might have fucked up. I don't know how YouTube reacts to OBS dropping connection, but it was only for like a second. We're still live. Yeah. Okay. So we should be good. All right, I'll restart that over again. In an early episode, you two discussed getting women on board with public executions by making them exclusive and fancy, or giving them prestige, as we were saying. I forgot
02:32:15 that we talked about that. I like it. One
02:32:17 day we'll have nice things. For now, may I park my lawn chair near the pit? Absolutely, but yeah, no, but that is one thing. Is it that's one of the reasons why it's slow going? And if you think about it, look look at the people that where they you could they're clearly their in group is triggered by prestige.
02:32:37 Look at when they push back against people like Arval. What do they do? It's a class attack every single time. They say, "Oh, he's managing a a mobile home park or something like that. They that they never go after him about what he's actually saying or whatever. They they try to dissuade people's in group preference by making him sound low class, and you see you see gruipers doing that.
02:32:59 That's the groiper tactic. Or any time a gruiper will get mad at someone for criticizing Nick Fuentes, they will say the exact same kind of response. It's all tied to status. Any, any. It's never about the substance of what is said. It's always a status signal that there's more status in being a griper than something else, and and that's really what it is. It's it's very it's very female coded, and unfortunately, that's how a lot of white people are very feminine these days. Ironically, because they they they are supporting hyper masculine people like Tate.
02:33:37 All right, then we got Cagle or Kagrill cage, I don't know something, with a generous dodo says good evening, Rebecca and Devon. Thank you for all that you do. I look forward to being able to own physical copies of Day of the Rope and Day of the Rope Two and the new book you shared a chapter of on the insomnia stream. Well, that that should be coming soon. I'm I'm in the works of making that a thing. So I'm so
02:34:08 excited.
02:34:08 Yeah, like I said, I've got a call with people tomorrow, and that'll probably give me a better idea as to what when to expect those to be out there. All right, then we got Professor Chaos says, "Hey Dev, so when are going to start a stack university so you can charge 1488 a month exactly right? Hire a bunch of Indians that tell you how to be white supremacists. Then we got can you hear true like he's doing the thing where a little bit, but it's
02:34:43 not it's not too bad. Okay, he's like, yeah. Frankly, it sounds just like my kids.
02:34:48 Yeah, he's not going to stop until like I let him out, but I'm not going to let him out just yet. Well, true. He's just, oh my god, dude. It's driving me crazy, but if you guys can't hear it, it's okay. Rocco d2 says, "Are Iranians white? Iran defined literally means Aryan country was founded by pro-Hitler Indo-Aryans. Did a deep dive. Myself, your take? I'm dubious. No, they're not. Iranians are obviously not white. They're not European.
02:35:21 White, in my book, I describe exactly what it means, and Iranians would not fit under that definition. So now, not that we hate Iranians, but they they they are their own group, and they can have their own country, and and Zion should should leave you know should leave it alone. All right, we got Tomahawk says make roof holes great again. I appreciate that, and I believe that's it. If there was one on Love and Division, if you sent one on Odyssey. It didn't pop up because my Odyssey broke, and now I can't see. I do have
02:36:10 a few hyper
02:36:11 trends. All right, you do yours. I'm going to look and see if there's a way for me to find it. But Odyssey. Oh, good. I'm going to answer
02:36:19 this one while you're not here, so you don't rip into me. Okay.
02:36:22 Okay.
02:36:22 Beast Vicious says, "Does Rebecca still support based Asians after Arthur Kwan Lee became anti-white? Listen, I famously have a soft spot for Asians. They're not us. I understand that, but after living in multicultural societies and living next to Asians who are clean and quiet and not dangerous and high IQ? I just, I just can't bring myself to hate them. I just can't. I mean, I'm talking about your top tier Asians.
02:36:50 And then after going to Japan and looking at how outwardly racist and well run their country was, I just, I have, I have a lot of respect for Japanese culture and to a much lesser extent Chinese culture. Although I I do take a shine to the Chinese as well. I mean they're doing a lot of things right. I recognize that they are not us and that they don't belong in our societies.
02:37:15 However, if I had to live with 10 Japanese people or one black person, you're gonna give me the 10 chaps every single time. You guys must understand that on some level, they're tears to my racial hatred of people, and Japanese-they just don't. I know the Koreans do. I have always had a lot of Korean friends. I like the way they approach decision making, and they're you know ruthlessly honest.
02:37:41 Yeah, I I don't know. I don't really have a inner struggle about liking most Asians. The Filipinos, though, they can they can get wrecked. Adrian Yoka says moderate time moderate time listener, first time donor. Here's some shekels to last y'all the dry season. We appreciate it. Thank you. And Obadiah Vandal says a little something for the cat food and hair product fund. I appreciate that.
02:38:06 Good evening, and good night. I do. I am interested in this Asian conversation. If you guys are going to talk about this in the live chat, yeah. See, people seem to understand. Is Arthur anti-white? I thought he was just Christ cooked. I don't know. Is he anti white? I remember reading a tweet a few months ago that I was like, "What? And I can't even remember what it is now.
02:38:29 It's hard though because Arthur has always been really cool to me. He's always been really cool to me. So, and I've had him on my show. It was a really interesting conversation. I mean, I just have a hard time indicting Asians in the same way that I do Black people. Can somebody link me to that tweet? I can't remember what he said for the life of me. If anybody remembers, okay. Let me reload this. I think we're good. Churro is taking forever.
02:38:59 Excuse me. If Love and Invision, if you did send something, because you usually do, and I thought I saw you in the chat, you want to. Since I do see you in the chat, if you want to. Oh, okay. You're saying Wallace or Odyssey Wander wallet is under attack and not working on it. Okay, good. Because my my Odyssey broke. I just want to make sure it wasn't something I wasn't missing one of your things there.
02:39:24 Okay, so let me just double check on Rumble again, but I think we are good. Oh no, Love Ocean said something over on Rumble here too. Let's see here. Well, first we have Book Track Groove says shout to Bull riders, they are awesome. Better than the NFL blurg, blurg, honk, honk, blurg. Where is the vanguard? Are you the vanguard, vanguard, vanguard, vanguard? I don't know. I
02:39:52 think it's Cameron.
02:39:54 So there you go. Then we got Blatic Winter said. Just wondering, I'm a Baltic Polish living in America. Would you want me to fight here or move back there? Want to be consistent with my beliefs? If you're a you're Baltic Polish, that's that's of European origin, you know.
02:40:18 Yeah, you can say yeah.
02:40:19 I mean, unless you're by Baltic, you mean like Jamaican Baltic or something like that. Like, like you should be good. I mean, you're not founding stock, but I mean, look, the founding stock makes up, I think, a a lower than 50% of the whites in America these days. Anyway, love and division. Yeah, says the same thing with the the the wallet being down. So all right. Well, I think we're all good over here.
02:40:48 We're okay over here too. Thank you guys so much for joining us. This was a really fun stream.
02:40:53 Yeah. All right. Well, we'll check you back next Wednesday. Also, be sure to tune in on Saturday, 10 o'clock p.m. Pacific Time for another installment of the Insomnia Stream.
02:41:06 Bye, guys.
02:41:08 Bye, bye. If I can find the end.